Delta decision due today or tomorrow

[doh]

Well, at least we all know that DAL management has no plan. Now I can sleep better at night knowing that they are in charge!

 

[jobear]

The outcomes that make the most sense for the DOJets is

(1) ground them
(2) give them to Skyway (Midwest Connect)
(3) find some excuse to cancel the ACA contract and leave the aircraft with ACA

I know we already have one or two furloughed Delta pilots here at Skyway and atleast one UAL furloughee, Maybe the fact that SYX doesn't ask for furloughed pilots to resign there Senoirty will work in our favor.
Here's hopin DAL doesn't furlough more.

Bear

 

[~~~^~~~]

Tim47 :

That sounds like the sort of rumors the Delta MEC starts to get their troups all fired up and in support of the MEC. Sort of like they date of hire hogwash.

But, at the ALPA Leadership Conference, Duane Woerth made a clear discrimination between us and the other airlines ALPA represents, as follows...

of the 42 airlines in ALPA, only 12 actually sell space, either seats or cargo space. The other 30 only provide "lift" either as codeshare or as cargo lift.

Duane Woerth went on to say that only the 12 airlines would legally be allowed to negotiate scope, that it would be "illegal" for the other airlines to participate." But this is clearly not true. Delta's own VP of HR writes:

"Delta Air Lines will negotiate in good faith with whomever ALPA sends to the bargaining table as designated representatives..."

See DAL Inc's 12-19-00 letter to the ASA and Comair MEC's:

I share your hope that Delta will recall their pilots - it will reduce ALPA's motivation to destroy us. After all, the President of our union just said ASA has no flying and can not participate in scope....

Only two things have saved us thus far, Delta's management and the fact that we are a cheap alter ego that is service transparent to most passengers. But we have no friend in management, a dollar is a dollar. As ALPA has proven on the US Air property, the are willing to put mainline pilots in E-170 seats for 20 to 40% less than ASA's current wages. Management will jump all over that deal if given the opportunity.

The only thing we know for sure is that the ASA and Comair MEC's will not be allowed to participate, according to ALPA's President.

 

[General Lee]

Tim,

Wrong. Wrong. Delta wants work concecssions "worth" 1200 pilots---which means that they would not bring back the 1060 furlough, but increase the flying with the current pilots---due to the 8-10% increase in flying this year. The company told Dalpa that they would NOT furlough any current pilots. But, there is a wrench in their plans---due to upcoming early retirements---starting May 1st. I am talking a huge number according to an ATL 757 Line Check guy I just flew with Sunday to LGA. This number is HUGE, and we shall see if it happens, but Delta is apparently worried and will ask Dalpa for relief if it does occur. The retirements would be due to 3 things---low Gatt rate, vacation pay out on April 15th adding to their FAE, and upcoming pay cuts.

Also, they may want to allow DCI to have 100 seaters, but it AINT gonna happen. Dalpa would not allow that---nope. They would renegotiate a lower pay rate before giving it to DCI. Sorry, but that is the truth......Fins--you are wrong again about our MEC, but I am glad you and Tim see that it would be in the furloughs interests to get those 100 seaters if they ever come....


Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[LearLove]

If I were a bettin man I'd say the jets are going to a contract carrier hands down. CHQ, SKYWEST or Xjet or some combo of the three. No way management is going to award to ASA as they are in contract talks and Comair, well now I see them as the next ALG/PDT (maybe not now but as time goes on and 50 seaters go the way of turboprops). I know I'll get alot of flack for that last statement and I hope its not true and I'm just talking out my a$$ but I can't help but see it comming.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Also, they may want to allow DCI to have 100 seaters, but it AINT gonna happen. Dalpa would not allow that---nope. They would renegotiate a lower pay rate before giving it to DCI. Sorry, but that is the truth......

Bye Bye----General Lee

General Lee is correct on this one. But the FACT that Skip Barnette and others are talking about it simply throws fuel on the fire of the RJDC's litigation. Delta management is proving up the RJDC's damages arguement....

It certainly isn't part of Delta's plan, but in concert with Duane Woerth's statements and actions on the US Air property, this is becoming a slam dunk DFR case.

 

[46Driver]

The outcomes that make the most sense for the DOJets is

(1) ground them
(2) give them to Skyway (Midwest Connect)
(3) find some excuse to cancel the ACA contract and leave the aircraft with ACA

You missed number 4. Maintain ACA's status quo with Delta.

 

[wms]

But the FACT that Skip Barnette and others are talking about it simply throws fuel on the fire of the RJDC's litigation.

There is no substance in it. It's just another attempt of ASA mgmt trying to throw the pilot group off balance, and DCI trying to find a hot button issue to use as a whip saw between the DAL and DCI pilot groups. Fortunately, the MECs are communicating and working together to solve problems inspite of the interference of the company and the RJDC.

 

[~~~^~~~]

There is no substance in it. It's just another attempt of ASA mgmt trying to throw the pilot group off balance, and DCI trying to find a hot button issue to use as a whip saw between the DAL and DCI pilot groups. Fortunately, the MECs are communicating and working together to solve problems inspite of the interference of the company and the RJDC.

Well, not really.

If the RJDC were to win, the "Regional's" MEC's would gain the power to properly represent their pilots. So even if the local MEC does not care for the RJDC, the effect of the RJDC litigation is that ALPA tends to be much more careful when ALPA is fully aware that their actions are going to be reviewed by a judge.

One effect of the RJDC litigation is that it restrains and limits the more predatory inclinations of ALPA, under mainline's control.

If you look around the industry, everyone has a jets for jobs agreement except for the groups that are suing ALPA, do you think that is a mere coincidence?

ASA and Comair's MEC do want to negotiate with their employer (Delta) and letters have been published to that effect. ALPA said no and put ALPA's position in writing.

If the ASA and Comair MEC's are in the room with the Delta MEC it is a result of the RJDC litigation.... Before the lawsuit the RJDC wanted the MEC's ( our representatives ) to come together and settle the issues. This did not happen because ALPA would not provide a framework to ensure that the ASA and Comair MEC's did not simply get rolled by the dominant Delta MEC. After all, by current ALPA practice, only the Delta MEC can negotiate with our employer....

Sorry if my post is rambling, but regardless of whether they like, or support, each other, the MEC's and the RJDC have the same purpose - to achieve the goal of proper representation of the pilots at ASA and Comair.

 

[PadFull'oTrim]

"while jumpseating on Delta, a senior captain told me..."

HA! I can't believe people say stuff like that.

Must have been information passed along at the 'senior captains only' meeting. That double-super-secret rumor info is hard to come by... good work! good find! must be TRUE! Junior captains apparently don't know much (and let's not even talk about FO's)... but SENIOR captains.... They speak of a rumor and it's as if God said it himself.

"senior captains" and "a reliable source"... those are my favorites.

 

[Lance501]

BLaa---HA HA HA

I mean, yeah, I head that too.......... you know.... about the super secret decoder ring and glasses that allow you to read the invisable ink on the MEC updates page. Man I can't wait to get that 10 year ALPA pin. Thats where its at!!!!

 

[RegionalFA]

"while jumpseating on Delta, a senior captain told me..."

HA! I can't believe people say stuff like that.

Must have been information passed along at the 'senior captains only' meeting. That double-super-secret rumor info is hard to come by... good work! good find! must be TRUE! Junior captains apparently don't know much (and let's not even talk about FO's)... but SENIOR captains.... They speak of a rumor and it's as if God said it himself.

"senior captains" and "a reliable source"... those are my favorites.

That's like when the newhire FA's start talking in the crewroom...

"well, a pilot told me" at that point I zone out.

Well, if a PILOT told you, it MUST be true.

 

[Tim47SIP]

What?

Also, they may want to allow DCI to have 100 seaters, but it AINT gonna happen. Dalpa would not allow that---nope. They would renegotiate a lower pay rate before giving it to DCI. Sorry, but that is the truth......

General, getting a little sensitive here. Where in my post did I even hint that we would get them or even gloated at the possibility. I don't know this guy we had in the jump, but I did say the story was hard to believe. He DID say 1200 more furloughs. He is probably not as informed as you, so that could explain his missunderstanding, which I am sure is a common problem with the senior guys at Delta. You would think that they would be the ones to squash any rediculous rumors like this one. At least he got the 1200 part correct.

Also, if you can remember, a while ago I posted a statement that your old MEC stated about the 100 seaters. He stated that DALPA did not want the aircraft on the property because they would demand to low of a rate. This would cause a problem in lowering the number of high paying jobs by replacing them with these low pay aircraft. Additionally, he stated that there would not be any type of "Mid Atlantic" or seperate group of pilots who would fly these aircraft on the Delta certificate due to the Delta Express fiasco of differnt pay rates in the same seniority list. Now your NEW MEC might have a different view of how to work these aircraft onto your certificate. I DO hope they go to you guys and your furloughs move into them.