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Delta Pilots: Concessions Deal Not Near
Thursday September 2, 5:14 pm ET
By Harry R. Weber, AP Business Writer Delta Pilots Say Concessions Agreement Is Not 'Imminent,' Both Sides Will Continue to Meet

ATLANTA (AP) -- Delta Air Lines Inc.'s pilots union said Thursday there is no agreement expected in the near future with the struggling carrier over concessions, although both sides will continue to meet.

In a memo to pilots, union spokesman Chris Renkel said rumors of "round-the-clock" talks and an "imminent" tentative agreement are unfounded.

"Our union needs your help in not perpetuating this type of crew room gossip," Renkel told pilots.

Renkel said "work group" meetings continued this week between the pilots union's negotiating committee and management to discuss technical aspects of scheduling and work rule concessions. The meetings are expected to continue next week, he said.

There has been some progress in those areas, Renkel said without elaborating. Union spokeswoman Karen Miller said she had nothing to add, and Delta spokeswoman Peggy Estes said she had no information on possible movement in the negotiations.

Delta, the nation's third-largest airline, has warned about the possibility of bankruptcy without deep wage cuts from its pilots. The company is seeking $1 billion in concessions; the union has offered up to $705 million.

Meanwhile, Delta said it will outline details of its closely guarded restructuring plan at a meeting Wednesday that will be broadcast on the Internet.

Chief executive Gerald Grinstein will announce the initial phase of the Atlanta-based carrier's strategic review, the company said Thursday. Details were not provided.

Delta also is seeking to restructure its more than $20 billion in debt.

The airline has extended until next Thursday, the day after Grinstein's Webcast, a deadline for creditors to respond to a request by Delta to give it more flexibility in restructuring its debt. Some creditors have refused to consent to the request without more information on the turnaround plan.

A few details of Delta's turnaround plan have already been released.

Earlier this summer, Grinstein told employees Delta plans to seek new markets, domestically and internationally, and new customers either alone or in a partnership. In addition, the airline will look to leverage assets and to deploy them in more profitable ways, he said.

Last month, Grinstein said the airline plans more job cuts, though he did not say how many. Delta already has reduced its work force by 16,000 since the 2001 terrorist attacks. As of June 30, the company and subsidiaries employed 70,300.

Some analysts believe Delta's turnaround plan could include other drastic changes, including shedding money-losing leisure routes and smaller hubs, like Salt Lake City, and concentrating operations on its large hubs, longer distance business markets and international routes where it may be able to maintain a revenue premium. Delta shares rose 16 cents to close at $4.12 Thursday on the New York Stock Exchange.




Bye Bye--General Lee
 
ATR-DRIVR said:
My question is how does GG have a plan soon to be outlined when there is no movement with the pilot group?
The plan would likely be more strategic in nature (e.g., simplify fleet types, add 100 seater, simplify pricing, dramatically reduce DFW hub, incorporate some Song features into mainline and increase international presence) that includes "pilot conessions" needed to fund any changes and repay debt. I am sure that the pilot concessions are already factored into the plans...

Thank GOODNESS for all of those expensive Harvard MBAs slaving away at the drafting boards...
 
ATR-DRIVR said:
My question is how does GG have a plan soon to be outlined when there is no movement with the pilot group?
DALPA negotiations are just one part of the big picture.
 
FDJ2,
Agree completely. Just thinking out loud due to the amount of money they are talking about. It would almost make me imagine there might be several versions of the 'plan', with an agreement, without an agreement as far as the pilot group goes and then something else again in reference to the creditor committee.

I would prefer something that brings everyone back and the company can reclaim the previous years profitability.
 
ATR, just some food for thought, but the company already has a $705M offer on the table from DALPA which they can factor in. I doubt that their pencils are so sharp that the difference of $300M tips the scales at this time. Ask yourself this question, can anyone reasonably predict within $300M what DAL's revenues and costs will be next year? Probably not, hence it's not a deal breaker for his plan. I think GG has bigger fish to fry, he already has a pilot concession which is pretty much in the ball park, but a deal at this time might take the pressure off the secured creditors that GG is trying to renegotiate with, JMO.
 
You're right, no one can make any predictions of just about anything right now...ok maybe Miss Cleo. No, wait, isn't she in the slammer? Has anybody suggested to GG that the difference could be easily made up by dumping most or all of the battalion of veep's? Let's see...VP of flight attendant uniform design...VP of fuel hedging, (THAT on really gets me). Just a few that come to mind...

Hey, I'm just a driver here..what would I know...
 
ATR-DRIVR said:
My question is how does GG have a plan soon to be outlined when there is no movement with the pilot group?
Actually, its just the opposite. I would not expect to see the pilots make any more movement until they see the plan. Much like the creditors, we are not going to give them any money until we know how it will be used.

Plus, as others have said, I am sure DAL management is at least figuring in the 700mil the pilots have already offered.
 
FDJ2 said:
ATR, just some food for thought, but the company already has a $705M offer on the table from DALPA which they can factor in. I doubt that their pencils are so sharp that the difference of $300M tips the scales at this time. Ask yourself this question, can anyone reasonably predict within $300M what DAL's revenues and costs will be next year? Probably not, hence it's not a deal breaker for his plan. I think GG has bigger fish to fry, he already has a pilot concession which is pretty much in the ball park, but a deal at this time might take the pressure off the secured creditors that GG is trying to renegotiate with, JMO.
Good post. Hey, you shoulda' gone to Havard MBA and become a Delta management type...
 
ATR-DRIVR said:
FDJ2,

I would prefer something that brings everyone back and the company can reclaim the previous years profitability.
Man it's nice to see that not everyone is anti-mainline--your post is appreciated. I also hope a deal can be reached that is beneficial to everyone.
 

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