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Obama is too far the other way, but you just summed up the economy under George Bush.

1. I disagree that a 4% tax increase on those making over 250k is too far the other way. Death tax that only effects 1.7% of the population does not concern me either.

2. So you want to re-elect politicians that will bring us back to the rich having the majority of the disposable income, just as under Bush? Today's Tea Party Republicans want all of W's rich people tax provisions, AND THEN SOME. You already said above that the economy under W gave the rich most of the disposable income. Do you really want to go back to THAT?
 
1. I disagree that a 4% tax increase on those making over 250k is too far the other way. Death tax that only effects 1.7% of the population does not concern me either.

You make it sound like the only thing Obama is doing different is allow the Bush tax cuts to expire.


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So you want to re-elect politicians that will bring us back to the rich having the majority of the disposable income, just as under Bush? Today's Tea Party Republicans want all of W's rich people tax provisions, AND THEN SOME. You already said above that the economy under W gave the rich most of the disposable income. Do you really want to go back to THAT

No, I want to elect politicians who embrace individual responsibility. Who respect the Constitution. Who's sole purpose in life is not to transfer wealth from the rich to the poor. Who embrace the free market. Who will stop spending money we don't have. Etc, etc.
 
Cale;
To save ourselves 20 more pages. My point was to add something to the discussion, not to take it over.

My point is trust the consumer and the response of business. We are slowly seeing that now as our margins return in this industry. It has been a bad 10 years.


ACLPILOT,

It's been a blast discussing it, but I too am happy to let it go. I won't let go of my trickle up hippie theories :), but I know in the short term our only hope is to trust in business so I will keep my fingers crossed your theory works out.

cale
 
No Cale, it has gotten a little one sided. It is a two way street that has government watching and rarely acting.

Labor and Companies need each other. Business thrives on a good business plan and dedicated labor. It is the "key" to success. As you like to point out COSTCO seems to have it, as well as some other companies.
Problem is good companies need to survive against the schmuck that is only dollar driven and that changes consumer spending habits and expectations. You get to a low point and the industry in question rebuilds or dies.

So, in closing it is a two way street and both parties to this need to realize that.

As a businessman I hired dedicated workers, and I knew they expected me to take care of them. I did and when I felt my delivery was below their expectation, I told them what was happening and why. It worked very well. This airline thing was still a good gig when I decided to go all in. It can be again, but it takes dedicated leadership on both sides of the table.

We can go back and forth some other way. The reality is that business need to morph and realize what once made them successful. Labor is also the buyer of many of their products. :D
 
You make it sound like the only thing Obama is doing different is allow the Bush tax cuts to expire.


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No, I want to elect politicians who embrace individual responsibility. Who respect the Constitution. Who's sole purpose in life is not to transfer wealth from the rich to the poor. Who embrace the free market. Who will stop spending money we don't have. Etc, etc.

But, in your own words, you said that results in most of the disposable income going to the rich?
 
But, in your own words, you said that results in most of the disposable income going to the rich?

You are reaching. I agree that under Bush, most disposable income went to the rich. I will go further, under Bush the rich got richer and the rest of us treaded water.

I don't think Bush stood for much that I believe in.

But that does not mean I think a liberal agenda is the answer for this country. Give me a true conservative over a liberal any day.
 
You are reaching. I agree that under Bush, most disposable income went to the rich. I will go further, under Bush the rich got richer and the rest of us treaded water.

I don't think Bush stood for much that I believe in.

But that does not mean I think a liberal agenda is the answer for this country. Give me a true conservative over a liberal any day.

And the same things you stated above will repeat itself over again. Don't see how that is good for the bottom 95%.

The major problem conservatives have with W was his spending. That is not what resulted in: "I agree that under Bush, most disposable income went to the rich. I will go further, under Bush the rich got richer and the rest of us treaded water."
 
Yep-Exactly what happens when the dumbest guy in congress gets elected to run the freaking country.

-Just more proof that there is no such thing as a "smart socialist."


Stop the world. Tanker putz made a post that I agree with.
 

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