Delta Air Elite

[NYG-Flyer]

I'm looking for any info on Delta air elite's charter management program. We are thinking of moving our airplane to their certificate. Any info would be helpful. Thanks in advance.

 

[100-1/2]

Any tax benefit or otherwise would be overly consumed by the fees and costs for you to operate your own airplane.

PS - you would probably be out of a job. Unless you are the owner of the aircraft.

If you are the owner of the aircraft, My company is expanding and might be interested in your aircraft.

PM me if your interest is serious. An inspection status sheet and redacted copy of a work-order from the last phase inspection would be helpful
as well.

100-1/2

 

[NYG-Flyer]

We have been operating under 135 for 6 years.. just looking into changing operators

 

[gret]

Any tax benefit or otherwise would be overly consumed by the fees and costs for you to operate your own airplane.

PS - you would probably be out of a job. Unless you are the owner of the aircraft.

If you are the owner of the aircraft, My company is expanding and might be interested in your aircraft.

PM me if your interest is serious. An inspection status sheet and redacted copy of a work-order from the last phase inspection would be helpful
as well.

100-1/2

Not sure this is true. There are a lot of partner a/c on certificates that work just fine and the owner, pilots, and the certificate holder are happy.

 

[100-1/2]

Gret-
You must be from the marketing/sales/dispatch department?

NYG-
The process to remove your aircraft from one certificate holder and place it on another could be problematic depending on the CHDO that has oversight of your prospective certificate coat-tail. If you have been with your current certificate for 6yrs, A008 was issued as a revision only. Your new CHDO will require definition of your relationship to demonstrate how A008 will be complied with. Depending on why you are jumping ship, you may be operating in a fuzzy gray area already that could be scrutinized by the new CHDO.

Just to clarify; you have been operating on someone else's certificate for 6yrs? Not on your own certificate and tired of the red tape?

Any chance you are on one of Segrave's multiple certificates out of NC?

At least Jr. gives you a smile before he bends you over. Stay where you are at unless you are hurting for more heartache.

100-1/2

 

[NYG-Flyer]

Gret-
You must be from the marketing/sales/dispatch department?

NYG-
The process to remove your aircraft from one certificate holder and place it on another could be problematic depending on the CHDO that has oversight of your prospective certificate coat-tail. If you have been with your current certificate for 6yrs, A008 was issued as a revision only. Your new CHDO will require definition of your relationship to demonstrate how A008 will be complied with. Depending on why you are jumping ship, you may be operating in a fuzzy gray area already that could be scrutinized by the new CHDO.

Just to clarify; you have been operating on someone else's certificate for 6yrs? Not on your own certificate and tired of the red tape?

Any chance you are on one of Segrave's multiple certificates out of NC?

At least Jr. gives you a smile before he bends you over. Stay where you are at unless you are hurting for more heartache.

100-1/2

I'm just curious, do you know what your talking about? The airplane has been on charter certificates for the past 6 years.. the latest certificate isn't working out for a variety of reasons. Since I've personally moved the airplane from one certificate to another I can assure you there are no complications with this. All I'm trying to find out is does anyone have any personal knowledge of Delta Air elite. I appreciate your concern for my ability to properly navigate through the Part 135 world but Just a friendly attempt to get info as part of my due diligence in making an educated decision.

 

[Princedietrich]

NYG - check your PM

 

[Publishers]

I am pretty familiar with them and their program albeit some time ago. If the proof is in the eating and revenue is important, for what it is worth, I do not see them at all in the air of South Florida. Their insurance requirements were high and they had some benefits with Delta airlines but EJA was a better deal if one wanted charter revenues. Anymore you have the big operators and then some niche companies like ours who deal with people who like the more personal touch and familiarity of a small operator.

 

[pilot1704]

What type of aircraft we are talking about?

What kind of aircraft are you talking about and is the owner taking you pilots with him?

 

[NYG-Flyer]

Its a Lear 31A. I am basically in charge of the airplane so yes the pilots come with.

 

[OCR]

aircraft just left Delta

We just added an aircraft to our certificate that left Delta Air Elite due to lack of any charter. I can get you the contact info for the pilot who made the decision to leave if you want to find out what his experience was with them.

 

[NYG-Flyer]

We just added an aircraft to our certificate that left Delta Air Elite due to lack of any charter. I can get you the contact info for the pilot who made the decision to leave if you want to find out what his experience was with them.

That would be helpful. Thanks.

 

[LJPilot]

I flew a Lear 31a out of CMH, and we were always doing trips for Delta Air Elite. I liked their charter department, their customers, and their pilots. I don't have any inside info though.

 

[moonlight]

We recently added our jet to DAE's fleet, and so far have been pretty happy with things. I recently had dinner with their director of sales and their supplemental lift manager along with another crew that is bringing a new XLS-Plus on their certificate, and they made several comments to the fact that more charters are lost because the lead pilot/point of contact from the managed aircraft opted out of proposed charter trips, i.e. "Oh, the boss needs the plane that weekend; we're not available on that day; yada yada yada." I'm sure there are factors that affect each managed aircraft's situation as well as aircraft marketability, no matter which 135 management company you're with.

I will say that having the ability to non-rev for my family and I is a pretty good perk...better than the flashlight I was given from my last 135 company.

 

[NYG-Flyer]

We recently added our jet to DAE's fleet, and so far have been pretty happy with things. I recently had dinner with their director of sales and their supplemental lift manager along with another crew that is bringing a new XLS-Plus on their certificate, and they made several comments to the fact that more charters are lost because the lead pilot/point of contact from the managed aircraft opted out of proposed charter trips, i.e. "Oh, the boss needs the plane that weekend; we're not available on that day; yada yada yada." I'm sure there are factors that affect each managed aircraft's situation as well as aircraft marketability, no matter which 135 management company you're with.

I will say that having the ability to non-rev for my family and I is a pretty good perk...better than the flashlight I was given from my last 135 company.

How many hours would you say you average per month?

 

[jumppilot03]

Does anyone know the process of adding an airplane to another 135 cert? The same type of plane already on the cert, and is currently on a 135 cert.

 

[LJPilot]

I believe it just needs to go through a conformity check looking over logs and verifying all required mx has been done, fire extinguishers are onboard, seats are fireblocked, all placards are in place...Which would be done already if already on a certificate, but some people are more thorough than others. I know of a Gulfstream that passed one check at one company, but the next operator found 80,000 dollars of mx that needed to be done.