Delta adding niffty new interiors

[Long Time Gone]

....And what are they when they return home to their condo? They return as Cat ranchers (growing/breeding multiple cats in their condos).

Bye Bye--General Lee

Awesome, GL. I've gotta remember that one. Even my 10 year old says that the only good purpose for a cat is target practice.

LTG

 

[canyonblue]

Commute home 99% of the time on my own company, SWA, but every once and awhile I go offline if it works better. My commute is only a :39 minute flight, so I realize that it is short. However, week in and week out, I watch as our SWA F/A's work their butts of providing a full beverage service to 137 passengers, and sometimes even give seconds. Last week I flew on a unnamed Legacy carrier and could not believe that on a morning flight with 16 passengers and 2 F/A's that the one working coach came back with a tray of cups and a Big bottle of water. I felt like I was on Aeroflot. What an embarrassment for that airline, but I felt better knowing that at SWA that would have never happened.

 

[General Lee]

When it comes to flying airplanes, experience does mean something. But, when it comes to customer service, very rarely does it matter. Sure, there are times when flights cancel and people need to be rerouted---and that does take some expertise. When it comes to flight attendants and experience, that becomes questionable. Do older, out of shape flight attendants perform better under stress---like an emergency evac? I don't know. If they can remember the procedures and actually see the emergency door (thru their "cheaters" (glasses) )-----can they then squeeze out of it? Look, I know there are some out of shape pilots too---but not as many because we have to take medicals once or twice a year. We also have a mandatory retirement age. The legacy carriers will have to understand that the LCCs have an advantage in this part of the workforce---they have younger, cheaper, more enthusiastic front line employees who still love the glamour of the job and still think pilots are studs.(joking) On one of my recent transcons---an LA based stew was blended in with a NYC crew and came up to me after the flight landed in JFK. She apologized for not offering us food upfront, even though I told her that was ok since I bought some in SFO. She then stated that there was plenty available to offer, but the lead stew (a NYC woman) ordered her to dump the rest and not offer any to us. If she does that to us, how does she treat the average coach passenger? These stews told me in the past how they used to offer full meal services on the DC-8 from ATL to MCO on 1 hour flights back in the '70s. The problem here is that THEY ARE STILL AROUND. Customer service is something we need to improve......



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

I think I might have had a closed-curtain chat with the lead then...depends on what the manual says about food distribution.

 

[klhoard]

Marshall, Will and Holley. . .

. . .<snip>. . . .
BTW Frac dad, the Slea-Stack used to scare the sh1t out of me as kid.
Thanks for the wonderful memories...

They sure weren't very good with their bow and arrows!!

http://www.landofthelost.com/

 

[canyonblue]

the LCCs have an advantage in this part of the workforce---they have younger, cheaper, more enthusiastic front line employees

I agree on everything except cheaper. The SWA F/A's are the highest paid as their new contract elevated them over Delta.

 

[720degpersec]

Hey !

I dated a DL F/A, she didn't breed cats. But what a nutjob !

By the way, it's true that at LCCs, younger F/As still see us as studs...

-- Passing 10'000 feet, I ordered the steak, and a glass of wine. Oh and yes, I was in the cockpit ! --

 

[General Lee]

Canyonblue,


Your rates may be higher for stews, but we probably have more stews that are at the top rate---due to longevity. We have more than 14,000 flight attendants, and I would say 3/4 have more than 20 years, with 1/2 having more than 30 plus years. That adds up. There needs to be a mandatory retirement age, and to get around the age discrimination deal---there needs to be a yearly test with a timed evac and the ability to lift an exit door.......



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Last time I was on a 75 out to SLC, ALL of the F/A's were over 60 and one was at least 70!! No joke, about 4'10'' and all of 100 lbs!

 

[RJFlyer]

Your rates may be higher for stews, but we probably have more stews that are at the top rate---due to longevity. We have more than 14,000 flight attendants, and I would say 3/4 have more than 20 years, with 1/2 having more than 30 plus years.

FA pay has gotten way too high, and that's why they stay around past 70. SWA will have this same problem in 10 or 15 years.

My commute is only a :39 minute flight, so I realize that it is short. However, week in and week out, I watch as our SWA F/A's work their butts of providing a full beverage service to 137 passengers, and sometimes even give seconds. Last week I flew on a unnamed Legacy carrier and could not believe that on a morning flight with 16 passengers and 2 F/A's that the one working coach came back with a tray of cups and a Big bottle of water.

On ASA, even though these girls (ok, so I haven't flown with a female FA in months, but even so...) aren't paid squat, they manage a complete beverage service for 50 pax on a 40-min flight. On longer flights, they even do 2-3 services. On a 3-hr flight on DL, you get one beverage service, and you get scowled at when you ask for the can...

The difference? The lousy FA pay here at ASA ensures they don't stay around too long, so you get fresh, enthusiastic faces on a regular basis.

 

[Lolikoka]

CX has the answer

Cathay Pacific signs flight attendants to a three year contract. After three years the airline determines whether or not they get to stay. Also makes them leave at age 40, but we could never get away with that here.

 

[bafanguy]

Well, it didn't take long for this thread to turn from aircraft interiors to misogyny, did it ?

 

[RJFlyer]

Well, it didn't take long for this thread to turn from aircraft interiors to misogyny, did it ?

Main Entry: mi·sog·y·ny [url="http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif"]http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif[/url]
Pronunciation: m&-'sä-j&-nE
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek misogynia, from misein to hate + gynE woman -- more at [size=-1]QUEEN[/size]
: a hatred of women

An old, jaded, pissed-off flight attendant is not necessarily female. It just so happens that most of the flight attendants being discussed are, because that's what was hired back in the day. I've seen quite a few not-so-fresh-and-not-so-friendly male FAs at DL, too. Misogyny has nothing to do with it. Attitude does. Relatively newly-hired FAs have, generally speaking better attitudes.

 

[General Lee]

I once flew with the number 3 seniority stew--a SEA crew when we had that base---and they were doing a SEA--DFW--SEA turn worth 7:50. We flew the leg back to SEA and I looked at the stew sheet to see the seniority and the most junior stew on the 757 was seniority number 600. (out of 19,000 at the time ---pre-9-11). After my great landing (I had to put that in there....) I was saying goodbye to the folks and I finally saw this #3 stew---and she was very very old---like a crippled grandma. I wanted to ask her if she needed a wheel chair. I asked one of the other ones when the #3 lady was hired---and she said 1957.


But, as I have to say because of legal reasons (??)---some of the stews out there are just great----GRAVY!!!!



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[bafanguy]

RJFlyer,


Thanks for the dictionary excerpt...I'm familiar with the meaning of the word and stand by what I said. But, if you insist, I'll rephrase: It didn't take long for this thread to go from acft interiors to FA bashing, did it ?

If the FA's on a particular airline are just not up to your standards, spend your money riding an airline were they are. If you're a non-rev...

Making sweeping negative generalizations about a large group of FA's is no more valid than some FA saying all pilots are arrogant, egomaniacal jerks. Your opinion won't change anything and no purpose is served by groups of people who work so closely engaging in bashing each other.