Definitions

[Skaz]

Hi all,
I am currently studying for my ATP written and have some questions for the knowledgable people out there....

These terms are used in the Gleim ATP book, but are not explained in the definitions section or in the FAR/AIM definitions, could somebody please shed some light on them for me?

Flag air carrier
Domestic air carrier
Supplemental air carrier

This has to do with all the different fuel minima in part 121.

Another question, does the specific ATP for airplane written exam you complete, have any kind of impact on what kind of position you are qualified for after completing your ATP? i.e. if you write the Part 121 exam, can you accept a position with a part 135 operator? etc. What relevance does this have?

Thanks a lot for the gen...

 

[minitour]

Another question, does the specific ATP for airplane written exam you complete, have any kind of impact on what kind of position you are qualified for after completing your ATP? i.e. if you write the Part 121 exam, can you accept a position with a part 135 operator? etc. What relevance does this have?

Thanks a lot for the gen...

I'll take a crack at this part.

The general consensus is that regardless of what written you take, 121 or 135, the ATP certificate is just that...ATP. I'm pretty sure the 121 v 135 thing is just for the aircraft that will be on the test.

From what I've read the 121 is the B727 B737 and something else...(the Beech1900?).

I'm sure someone else will have more information, but this is all I've got...

if you do a search on "ATP written" I'm sure you'll get more than a few threads on this subject.

I've been looking at the Gleim ATP prep software and it looks like a b*tch! Good luck!

-mini

 

[JAFI]

119.3 Definitions

Domestic operation means any scheduled operation conducted by any person operating any airplane described in paragraph (1) of this definition at locations described in paragraph (2) of this definition:

(1) Airplanes:

(i) Turbojet-powered airplanes;

(ii) Airplanes having a passenger-seat configuration of more than 9 passenger seats, excluding each crewmember seat; or

(iii) Airplanes having a payload capacity of more than 7,500 pounds.

(2) Locations:

(i) Between any points within the 48 contiguous States of the United States or the District of Columbia; or

(ii) Operations solely within the 48 contiguous States of the United States or the District of Columbia; or

(iii) Operations entirely within any State, territory, or possession of the United States; or

(iv) When specifically authorized by the Administrator, operations between any point within the 48 contiguous States of the United States or the District of Columbia and any specifically authorized point located outside the 48 contiguous States of the United States or the District of Columbia.

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Flag operation means any scheduled operation conducted by any person operating any airplane described in paragraph (1) of this definition at the locations described in paragraph (2) of this definition:

(1) Airplanes:

(i) Turbojet-powered airplanes;

(ii) Airplanes having a passenger-seat configuration of more than 9 passenger seats, excluding each crewmember seat; or

(iii) Airplanes having a payload capacity of more than 7,500 pounds.

(2) Locations:

(i) Between any point within the State of Alaska or the State of Hawaii or any territory or possession of the United States and any point outside the State of Alaska or the State of Hawaii or any territory or possession of the United States, respectively; or

(ii) Between any point within the 48 contiguous States of the United States or the District of Columbia and any point outside the 48 contiguous States of the United States and the District of Columbia.

(iii) Between any point outside the U.S. and another point outside the U.S.


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Supplemental operation means any common carriage operation for compensation or hire conducted with any airplane described in paragraph (1) of this definition that is a type of operation described in paragraph (2) of this definition:
(1) Airplanes:

(i) Airplanes having a passenger-seat configuration of more than 30 seats, excluding each crewmember seat;

(ii) Airplanes having a payload capacity of more than 7,500 pounds; or

(iii) Each propeller-powered airplane having a passenger-seat configuration of more than 9 seats and less than 31 seats, excluding each crewmember seat, that is also used in domestic or flag operations and that is so listed in the operations specifications as required by §119.49(a)(4) for those operations; or

(iv) Each turbojet powered airplane having a passenger seat configuration of 1 or more and less than 31 seats, excluding each crewmember seat, that is also used in domestic or flag operations and that is so listed in the operations specifications as required by §119.49(a)(4) for those operations.

(2) Types of operation:

(i) Operations for which the departure time, departure location, and arrival location are specifically negotiated with the customer or the customer's representative;

(ii) All-cargo operations; or

(iii) Passenger-carrying public charter operations conducted under part 380 of this title.

 

[Skaz]

Thanks for that!

 

[FracCapt]

Another question, does the specific ATP for airplane written exam you complete, have any kind of impact on what kind of position you are qualified for after completing your ATP? i.e. if you write the Part 121 exam, can you accept a position with a part 135 operator? etc. What relevance does this have?

It's strictly related to the aircraft that are in the questions on the test. Once you get your ATP, nobody can tell which written you took - nor does it make a difference. Nobody cares. Figure out which questions will be easier for you(the 121 aircraft or 135 aircraft related ones - not sure which aircraft they reference, it's been too many years), and take that test.

 

[Skaz]

Thanks for the gen , guys, exactly what I was hoping to get.