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Anyone care to comment on defaulting the ACARS for an ontime push? I've seen one particular express carrier closing the door late only to be exactly on time.
 
I hear it can be done...but I have no idea who would do it! :pimp: :pimp:

(someting about a gps clock....with changeable time....tied to acars...not really sure though)
 
Just make sure you reset it to the current time before pulling into the gate... Block or better baby!!
 
our acars starts the time when the cabin door is closed and armed. so if we are running behind we load the pax up and shut the door then pass the paperwork thru the CA side window. no reprogramming needed.

personaly if i were running the airline I'd just have my crews call the times themselves ala SWA then your never late.
 
I love the duality of flightinfo.com. Pilots come to this board to comment on dishonest management, sham bankruptcies and the cheating of pilots to make a buck. Then the pilots discuss their own ways to cheat the system to make an extra sixty cents.

If anyone is looking for the moral high ground in aviation it's located somewhere on the continent of Atlantis. Let the rest of us know if you ever find it.
 
Then the pilots discuss their own ways to cheat the system to make an extra sixty cents.
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Let's see...posters here probably average $1.00 a minute.

10 min/leg x 5 legs/day x 18 days/mo. = $900/mo. extra

Cheating or not, that's a lot more than 60 cents...
 
pilotdiscretion said:
I love the duality of flightinfo.com. Pilots come to this board to comment on dishonest management, sham bankruptcies and the cheating of pilots to make a buck. Then the pilots discuss their own ways to cheat the system to make an extra sixty cents.

If anyone is looking for the moral high ground in aviation it's located somewhere on the continent of Atlantis. Let the rest of us know if you ever find it.
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It's called pilot's discretion...hehehe

Seriously. They put that crap in the airplane to take pilots out of the loop and so they could blame the crews for being late and give them one more dynamic to worry about...when if they ran a decent business and kept spares around and did what is right in the first place they wouldn't need acars and pilots probably wouldn't be trying to get what they deserve through devious means...

but you're right...there is no moral high ground in aviation. The FAA wants to catch you, the company wants you to do something and not get caught to save a few cents (but they will self disclose and hang you in a heartbeat) and it's always the CA's fault...unless the company turns a profit-and then it is someone in a big office that takes the credit!
 
Resetting the clock is FRAUD, and not only will you be FIRED but you'll probably get your certificates revoked by the FAA and do some duty time in the Federal Penitentary as the sacrificial lambs the government is always looking for.
BTW, it's not the company that will bust you. It will be the Whistle Blowers Hotline call by a pi$$ed off pax you left behind.

Don't give them the opportunity! Here, I just thought this up:

It's quite simple:

1) Close the door.

2) Pass the paperwork through the escape hatch or whatever opening you use to spit your gum out.


No, no,....no need to thank me, we're all in this together.
 
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What's the big deal being on time anyway... I ain't get no performance bonus like everybody else in the company anyway, including rampers, so there's no motivation for me to ask my FA to slam the pax door close shut so I don't have to acars ops why I was 10 sec. late when others can't do their job right.

We'll get to our destination when I feel safe and ready, period. My responsibility is to the safety of the pax, the plane, then my certificate.
 
crashpad said:
Resetting the clock is FRAUD, and not only will you be FIRED but you'll probably get your certificates revoked by the FAA and do some duty time in the Federal Penitentary as the sacrificial lambs the government is always looking for.
BTW, it's not the company that will bust you. It will be the Whistle Blowers Hotline call by a pi$$ed off pax you left behind.

Don't give them the opportunity! Here, I just thought this up:

It's quite simple:

1) Close the door.

2) Pass the paperwork through the escape hatch or whatever opening you use to spit your gum out.


No, no,....no need to thank me, we're all in this together.
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Huh? no, no, you don't get it...you're trying to show an on time departure but they gate or someone slowed it up with paperwork of some bad ticketing or something and you waited for the pax but want to get paid for it and don't want to have to explain yourself to some deskbound numbskull that can't find his arse with both hands and a flashlight...(you, perhaps?)

The passenger will be thanking you for waiting!

And yeah, don't spit your gum out on the ramp like the dipstick suggested...people step in it and it's a pain to get off the shoes and it might even fod out a replacement jet's engine, so just don't do it!

Though one whiny FO did get a CA fired by turning him in to AA's lovely mangement for diddling with the acars...

And as for fraud...if you are pushing back from a gate loggable time on you does not start untill you release the parking brake and the aircraft moves under it's own power. For the aircraft it will be wheels off the ground. The Feds won't come hunting you for it. The company might, so you have to be able to trust who you are flying with cause someone might rat you out (crashpad maybe)...but it won't be a passenger!
 
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LearLove said:
our acars starts the time when the cabin door is closed and armed. so if we are running behind we load the pax up and shut the door then pass the paperwork thru the CA side window. no reprogramming needed.

personaly if i were running the airline I'd just have my crews call the times themselves ala SWA then your never late.
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Try to keep up with the times. SWA hasn't called times since last summer. Also, Learlove, don't forget that sister company of yours that calls its own times. Waiting 20 mins for a headset in PHL, yet on time. Sure helps out the mangement folks in N. INDY :rolleyes:

Take care.
 
XJ's Story

Our departed XJ CP put out an unofficial memo saying that we'd better start adhering to the FOM when calling times. He told me that XJ had suspended a pilot that week for shutting the door, popping the brake and calling out while not even having a pushback tug at the nose. Twenty-five minutes elapsed before the tug showed up and operations watched with their fancy camera as the situation unfolded. Remarkably, the operations crowd aren't the people reporting the pilots. Our ramp supervisors are. They're desperately trying to get management to hire more rampies, especially for this winter. But, when pilots constantly call out on time (most of the time fraudulently) management sees that the number of ramp personnel is adequete - hence the "on time" departures. Ramp supervisors then attempt to bring the pilot "brake popping" to light.

Heads up to those who still do it. And it's amazing and embarrassing to know that LOTs still do. Simply not right. And not worth it.

MM
 
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Mesabi Miner said:
Our departed XJ CP put out an unofficial memo saying that we'd better start adhering to the FOM when calling times. He told me that XJ had suspended a pilot that week for shutting the door, popping the brake and calling out while not even having a pushback tug at the nose. Twenty-five minutes elapsed before the tug showed up and operations watched with their fancy camera as the situation unfolded. Remarkably, the operations crowd aren't the people reporting the pilots. Our ramp supervisors are. They're desperately trying to get management to hire more rampies, especially for this winter. But, when pilots constantly call out on time (most of the time fraudulently) management sees that the number of ramp personnel is adequete - hence the "on time" departures. Ramp supervisors then attempt to bring the pilot "brake popping" to light.

Heads up to those who still do it. And it's amazing and embarrassing to know that LOTs still do. Simply not right. And not worth it.

MM
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That's BS, if that door is closed, you should be getting paid.
 
According to Logbook Pro, this month I have a 46% on-time percentage (I'm actually kinda proud of that). The main reason why is because on almost every flight we have everyone loaded, we're ready to go, but the bag count doesn't get to us until 5 minutes after scheduled departure. Not much ACARS can do about that.
 
Tarzan said:
That's BS, if that door is closed, you should be getting paid.
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That's true. I agree with you. Unfortunately, it's never been that way. I'd love to be paid for the 5000+ pre-flights I've done at XJ.
 
I like ASA's system. The gate agents call the flights out ontime for DOT paperwork, while the pilots write the time in the can for their payroll. And we are STILL just about the worst ontime performance.
 

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