Dear Air Traveler:

[kommutrdog]

Dear Air Traveler:

Things you should know:

Thousands of experienced pilots are leaving the industry. Why ? Where are they going ? Writing mortgage loans. Opening Subways. Designing Websites. Thousands of highly-trained, experienced, cool, competent professionals are leaving the industry and they ain't coming back.

Why ?

OUTSOURCING !

Everything to the lowest bidder. Keep turnover high. Longevity costs money. Set up a low-ball, low-cost alter-ego carrier at the stroke of a pen. Pit one pilot group against another. Hire minimum-wage, unmotivated employees to maybe or maybe not load your aircraft correctly. Heck, it worked for Value-Jet! Don't install optional safety equipment, like thrust reversers. But it's all o.k. because we have LOW, LOW, LOW Airfare, yeah !

Some pilots have it good. Some airlines treat their pilots well, at least for now. Most of us are looking for an exit.

Starting pay at most regional carriers is around 18-22k per year with 80 hour work weeks.

The reason: Greed. 9/11 the excuse.

Enjoy your flight

Airline Pilot


PS Dear George: Stop reading my mail.

 

[imisscorplife]

Mass print and hand out with peanuts

 

[h25b]

Dear Air Traveler:

Things you should know:

Thousands of experienced pilots are leaving the industry. Why ? Where are they going ? Writing mortgage loans. Opening Subways. Designing Websites. Thousands of highly-trained, experienced, cool, competent professionals are leaving the industry and they ain't coming back.

Why ?

OUTSOURCING !

Everything to the lowest bidder. Keep turnover high. Longevity costs money. Set up a low-ball, low-cost alter-ego carrier at the stroke of a pen. Pit one pilot group against another. Hire minimum-wage, unmotivated employees to maybe or maybe not load your aircraft correctly. Heck, it worked for Value-Jet! Don't install optional safety equipment, like thrust reversers. But it's all o.k. because we have LOW, LOW, LOW Airfare, yeah !

Some pilots have it good. Some airlines treat their pilots well, at least for now. Most of us are looking for an exit.

Starting pay at most regional carriers is around 18-22k per year with 80 hour work weeks.

The reason: Greed. 9/11 the excuse.

Enjoy your flight

Airline Pilot


PS Dear George: Stop reading my mail.

Dear Airline Pilot,

Your industry is subject to the same trials and tribulations of outsourcing, competitive business, and free market economy as any other in this country. We appreciate your passion for your career but your naivety is particulary disturbing considering your position of responsibility.

After reading this well intended letter we felt the only responsible course of action would be to forward a copy to Oklahoma City to have its original author's medical certificate revoked citing mental health issues and another copy sent on to ALPA. Their incredible forethought and vision is to be commended. Their mainline division's decision of scope relief allowing any turbojet aircraft to be operated by regional subsidiaries/contract carriers allowing your profession's future to be decided by backpack carrying, frosted haired, gum chewing children was outstanding. We particulary enjoy spending untold hours crammed in to the window seat of the CRJ-200 while wondering if its drivers are out to score another badge chasing the elusive "410 Club."

The reason: Greed, ALPA stupidity...

Frequent Flyer.

 

[TSA145]

Dear Airline Pilot,

Your industry is subject to the same trials and tribulations of outsourcing, competitive business, and free market economy as any other in this country. We appreciate your passion for your career but your naivety is particulary disturbing considering your position of responsibility.

After reading this well intended letter we felt the only responsible course of action would be to forward a copy to Oklahoma City to have its original author's medical certificate revoked citing mental health issues and another copy sent on to ALPA. Their incredible forethought and vision is to be commended. Their mainline division's decision of scope relief allowing any turbojet aircraft to be operated by regional subsidiaries/contract carriers allowing your profession's future to be decided by backpack carrying, frosted haired, gum chewing children was outstanding. We particulary enjoy spending untold hours crammed in to the window seat of the CRJ-200 while wondering if its drivers are out to score another badge chasing the elusive "410 Club."

The reason: Greed, ALPA stupidity...

Frequent Flyer.

Good night

 

[h25b]

Between your posts of GoSh!t and this I can tell you are:

Good night

Truth hurts I guess.

You're like a soldier found on some island 2 years after WW2 who thinks the war is still going on.. I was simply pointing out that our fate was sealed the minute the first jet went to a "regional." If you disagree then you are part of the problem...

Ever think what type of leverage the mainline unions would have if they had demanded (pre-9/11) to fly all turbojet aircraft ???

 

[100LL... Again!]

The profession will undergo radical transformation, and it will obviously not be without melodrama.

This gets more entertaining every day.

The public doesn't care. Nor are most of them able to understand the factors involved here.

TSA145's response is fairly typical of the mentality I see online from a lot of pilots. You might be right even, but you'll get nowhere with it.

 

[h25b]

The public doesn't care. Nor are most of them able to understand the factors involved here.

That was the other point I was making...

Trying to gain the traveling public's support would be something akin to asking the Boston Strangler for a neck rub. Sort of a poor choice of allies.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Ever think what type of leverage the mainline unions would have if they had demanded (pre-9/11) to fly all turbojet aircraft ???

They should have demanded it all. Even the 19-seaters. But those mainline guys are too good to fly that little crap. Even though a lot of them are probably now flying exactly that.

 

[h25b]

They should have demanded it all. Even the 19-seaters. But those mainline guys are too good to fly that little crap. Even though a lot of them are probably now flying exactly that.

Yeah, but what do I know ??? I'm just some stupid "motherfukcer." For the record, I've been a corporate pilot for the last 6 years, not a GJ pilot...

From TSA145's profile it would appear that he's a furloughee and should have the ALPA koolaid flushed from his veins.

Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 18
Civ/Mil: CIVILIAN
A/C Flown: 757/767/737/A320/E-145
Ratings: 757/767/737/E145
Total Time: 5500

 

[TSA145]

For the record I always thought everything should be mainline. From a 1900 to a -400. But like the other guy said some major airline pilots are too good to fly those little jets/props
ALPA??????D.W. is the biggest problem unionized airline pilots have after G.W.B.!!!!
About GoSh!t just because the airlines and pilot groups have gone down the toilet it doesn't mean that if a new alter ego company like gosh!t comes along we should let it go like you said. How would you feel if I talked to your boss and "steal" your job by undercutting you?

 

[Brett Hull]

How would you feel if I talked to your boss and "steal" your job by undercutting you?

Isn't that what you're essentially doing to your former colleagues at mainline, and yourself, by flying a 145 on what once were mainline routes?

 

[h25b]

For the record I always thought everything should be mainline. From a 1900 to a -400. But like the other guy said some major airline pilots are too good to fly those little jets/props
ALPA???

Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 20
Civ/Mil: CIVILIAN
A/C Flown: 757/767/737/A320/E-145
Ratings: 757/767/737/E145
Total Time: 5500
Posts: 20


Where did you get your 757/767/737 ratings ? Did you have this same view of the world when you were flying this equipment.

How would you feel if I talked to your boss and "steal" your job by undercutting you?

Wasn't it your decision to go to work for Hulas ???

You and others just love to act like GJ's is the sole reason for all your troubles. TSA has never been anyone's first choice regional airline to work for yet you like to pretend like the whole GJ situation was some overnight toilet flush. Where was this uproar against "stealing of flying" and undercutting when you guys started flying American's 145's ?

 

[Phaedrus]

Hire minimum-wage, unmotivated employees to maybe or maybe not load your aircraft correctly. Heck, it worked for Value-Jet!

In order to be taken seriously you'll have to do a little better than this. I know it's tough to research things these days, what with the internet and all, but you should at least give it a shot.
How's that bitterness issue working out for you?

 

[Crash Pad]

Sorry guys unless some 200 hour wonders start taking one for the team by bending a few aircraft with fatalities your "experience" is not very helpful.

 

[BenderGonzales]

Dear Airline Pilot,

Your industry is subject to the same trials and tribulations of outsourcing, competitive business, and free market economy as any other in this country. We appreciate your passion for your career but your naivety is particulary disturbing considering your position of responsibility.

After reading this well intended letter we felt the only responsible course of action would be to forward a copy to Oklahoma City to have its original author's medical certificate revoked citing mental health issues and another copy sent on to ALPA. Their incredible forethought and vision is to be commended. Their mainline division's decision of scope relief allowing any turbojet aircraft to be operated by regional subsidiaries/contract carriers allowing your profession's future to be decided by backpack carrying, frosted haired, gum chewing children was outstanding. We particulary enjoy spending untold hours crammed in to the window seat of the CRJ-200 while wondering if its drivers are out to score another badge chasing the elusive "410 Club."

The reason: Greed, ALPA stupidity...

Frequent Flyer.

That was the funniest post i've read in a long time. The clarity and honesty were profound. The truth hurts.

 

[h25b]

That was the funniest post i've read in a long time. The clarity and honesty were profound. The truth hurts.

Just trying to keep up with you... Of course though it gets me labeled as a GJ pilot and motherfukcer..

 

[AA717driver]

Yeah, TSA145, next time you load up and head from STL to CID, MLI, DSM or any other destination YOU fly to, remember, you're flying a route that TWA MAINLINE used to fly with DC9's and 717's.

Enjoy MY job while you're bit@hing about GJ. TC

P.S.--I know h25b and he never worked for GJ or any other commuter.

 

[Reebo]

Yeah, TSA145, next time you load up and head from STL to CID, MLI, DSM or any other destination YOU fly to, remember, you're flying a route that TWA MAINLINE used to fly with DC9's and 717's.

Enjoy MY job while you're bit@hing about GJ. TC

P.S.--I know h25b and he never worked for GJ or any other commuter.

And don't forget DCA,PHL,EWR,DEN,ATL,CLT and all those other "regional" routes. If you would have told me in 1999 when I was hired at TSA that I would be the Captain of a plane departing from gate C9 to PHL in 2006, my rsponse would have been, how am I going to make Captain at TWA in 6 years?

 

[maru657]

The end wasn't reagonal jets, it was seperate seniority lists for those carriers creating an envious underclass who had no choice but to take whatever action that could get them a seat at the table. If the pilots at Allied struck today, could you blame any Eagle pilot who crossed their line?
A 15 year eagle pilot has to watch new hires with a tiny fraction of their experience go to the mainline and immedietly move into a position with greater rewards than the reagonal will ever afford them. In context, if the hiring ain't fair, who cares if the fireing is fair?