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Danger--Polar 1-4 routes and NOPAC routes

luckytohaveajob

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Is AMR, UAUA, DAL, and CAL taking preventive action? Or is it just business as usual and the cost/benefit trade off justifies flying over North Korea hoping to get the insurance money?


NKorean threat has airlines changing flight paths--

  • By JEAN H. LEE, Associated Press Writer Jean H. Lee, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 11 mins ago
AP – Asiana airline employees work in front of a graphic screen indicating airroutes at Asiana Airline Operations …





SEOUL, South Korea – Air Canada and Singapore Airlines joined South Korean airlines in rerouting flights to steer clear of North Korean airspace Friday after the communist regime threatened Seoul's passenger planes amid heightened tensions on the Korean peninsula.
North Korea warned late Thursday that it cannot guarantee the safety of South Korea's passenger jets flying near its airspace if annual joint U.S.-South Korean military maneuvers go ahead as planned Monday.
South Korea's two main airlines, Korean Air and Asiana Airlines, immediately began redirecting flights away from the North's airspace.
On Friday, at least two foreign airlines, Air Canada and Singapore Airlines, also changed flight paths to and from Seoul, an official at the Civil Aviation Safety Authority said. He agreed to discuss the matter only if not quoted by name because he was not authorized to talk with journalists.
Pyongyang's warning was the latest threat from North Korea at a time of mounting tensions over stalled reconciliation efforts and the North's plan for a missile test. The two Koreas technically remain at war because their bitter 1950-53 war ended in a cease-fire rather than a peace treaty.
Relations have worsened since conservative South Korean President Lee Myung-bak took office a year ago and refused to provide the impoverished North with aid unless the regime abided by its commitment to dismantle its nuclear program.
North Korea cut off ties, canceled joint inter-Korean projects and declared peacekeeping agreements with the South void.
Last year, the North stopped disabling its nuclear program, and last week it announced it was preparing to send a communications satellite into space — a launch that nations in the region suspect is a cover for testing a long-range missile capable of reaching Alaska.
In issuing its threat to South Korean airliners, the North did not say what kind of danger jetliners might face. It was not clear whether the North was threatening to shoot down planes.
Korean Air, South Korea's largest airline, has twice had planes downed: one shot down in 1983 by a Soviet fighter jet with the loss of all 269 people aboard and another destroyed by a bomb allegedly planted by North Korean agents in 1987 that killed all 115 people on board.
South Korea urged the North to retract the threat.
"The military threat against civil airplanes' normal flights is a violation of international norms and an inhumane act that cannot be justified under any circumstances," Unification Ministry spokesman Kim Ho-nyeon told reporters Friday.
Kim hinted the threat could be a way to clear airspace before a possible missile launch.
U.S. generals representing the U.N. Command, the American-led body overseeing the cease-fire between the two Koreas, told their North Korean counterparts Friday that the threat was "inappropriate." They urged the North to retract the warning, the U.N. Command said.
North Korean generals rejected the demand, calling the warning a "self-defense measure," according to Pyongyang's Korean Central News Agency. The North's chief delegate at the meeting warned of "strong countermeasures" unless the U.S. called off the military exercises with South Korea, and he reasserted Pyongyang's right to launch a satellite into space, KCNA said.
In Washington, State Department spokesman Gordon Duguid criticized the threat. "North Korea's belligerent rhetoric is unwarranted and counterproductive," he said.
Asiana Airlines and Korean Air wasted no time in ordering flights to and from North America to fly farther south to stay well away from North Korea.
"We plan to make our flight detour through Japanese airspace until the crisis is resolved," said Park Hyun-soo, deputy general manager of Asiana Airlines' operations control center.
He said the rerouting would add about 40 minutes to each flight and cost about 4 million won ($2,500) per leg.
The civil aviation official said South Korea was leaving it up to foreign airlines to decide whether to change flight plans since North Korea's threat did not mention foreign flights, only the South's. An average of 19 foreign planes arrive or leave Seoul every day, he said.
In Geneva, Anthony Concil, spokesman for the International Air Transport Association, said he was unaware of any general directive to avoid North Korean airspace but said it was possible individual airlines were making such decisions.
The joint U.S.-South Korean military exercises begin Monday and are scheduled to run 12 days. Washington and Seoul say the exercises are defensive, not preparation for an invasion as North Korea claims.
The U.S. military said it would go ahead with the drills involving its 26,000 military personnel in South Korea, an unspecified number of southern soldiers and a U.S. aircraft carrier.
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Associated Press writer Jae-soon Chang contributed to this report.
 

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The lazy writer failed to mention the KAL 707 shot down over the Soviet Union after the KAL crew got screwed up at the North Pole and came south over western Russia. They flew around for hours before the Soviet Air Defense finally got them. The US knew what was going on thanks to the Norwegian Air Force radio intercepts. The 707 was shot up. The 707 was then landed on a frozen lake and it was many hours before helicopters arrived to arrest everyone. KAL never got the airplane back either. I heard a Soviet General was executed though.
 

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Date:20 APR 1978
Time:22:17
Type:Boeing 707-321B
Operator:Korean Air Lines - KALRegistration:HL7429C/n / msn:19363/623First flight:1967
Engines:4 Pratt & Whitney JT3D-3B
Crew:Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: 12
Passengers:Fatalities: 2 / Occupants: 97
Total:Fatalities: 2 / Occupants: 109
Airplane damage:Written off
Airplane fate:Written off (damaged beyond repair)Location:Korpijärvi Lake (Russia)
Phase:En route (ENR)
Nature:International Scheduled Passenger
Departure airport:[URL="http://aviation-safety.net/database/airport/airport.php?id=CDG"]Paris-Charles de Gaulle Airport (CDG/LFPG)
, France
Destination airport:Anchorage International Airport, AK (ANC/PANC), United States of AmericaFlightnumber:902

Narrative:
Flight 902 departed Paris for a flight to Seoul with an intermediate stop at Anchorage, AK. The aircraft passed the Canadian Station "Alert", located 400 miles from the North Pole where the crew corrected their course. However this brought them on a course directly across the Barents Sea towards Soviet airspace. The plane was initially recognized by Soviet anti-aircraft defense radars as a Boeing 747. Sukhoi Su-15TM interceptor jets were sent to intercept the intruder. When both Sukhoi jets were flying next to the Korean airliner, the captain said he slowed down plane and switched on landing lights. Nevertheless the Su-15 crews were ordered to shoot down the plane. According to the U.S. the Su-15 pilot for several minutes tried to convince his superiors to cancel the attack, because the aircraft was a civilian Boeing 707 instead of a reconnaisance Boeing RC-135. After an additional order two P-60 rockets were launched. One of them missed the 707 but the other rocket exploded, severly damaging part of the left wing. Shrapnel punctured the fuselage, causing a rapid decompression and killing two passengers. The Korean pilot initiated an emergency descent from FL350 to 5000 feet and entered clouds. Both Sukhoi jets lost the 707 in the clouds. The aircraft continued at low altitude, crossing the Kola Peninsula and looking for a place to land. After several unsuccessful attempts in the evening dusk landed on the ice of Korpijärvi lake. All occupants were rescued by Russian helicopters.
 
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All we would have to do at DL is to show in our FPS 2.0 that the North Korean FIR is an avoidance region. We have a few hostile areas in the world like that.

I am in Guangzhou, China, so I dont know if that has been done or not, but I would feel very safe if flying us in that region.
 

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can you imagine if the USA downed or even threatened another country?

It is amazing how bad things were during the "cold war"

I am curious, did the Soviet Union ever pay the victims on that Korean Air flight 007?
 
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All we would have to do at DL is to show in our FPS 2.0 that the North Korean FIR is an avoidance region. We have a few hostile areas in the world like that.

I am in Guangzhou, China, so I dont know if that has been done or not, but I would feel very safe if flying us in that region.


Why are you over there??
 

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You mean besides Iran Air flight 655, the A300 that was shot down by mistake by the US Navy?

So few people remember this even happened. I understand from the reports the captain of that ship, "Vincennes" if recall, was known for being somewhat of a cowboy.
 

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So few people remember this even happened. I understand from the reports the captain of that ship, "Vincennes" if recall, was known for being somewhat of a cowboy.

Well, his name was Will Rodgers.
 

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We adopted a little girl. We come back home to the real world in a few days.
 
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