Dan Roman

[dalad]

Do you guys at HA know why your senior management has requested a meeting with DAL management next week?

 

[xjhawk]

I am assuming he is at the beach until monday

 

[fam62c]

Source? Link?

 

[Dan Roman]

I am assuming he is at the beach until monday

Actually right here, but good assumption though!

I hate to say it but..... I've heard variations of that from 3 different sources in the last couple days. One I would think as more reliable than the typical "Delta's buying Hawaiian" rumor sources that have been out there for years.
So..... I could be eating my words OR it could be something as simple as the fact that DAL does a lot of our maint. And they are having discussions about that. I will say that AA has gotten approval for more codesharing with us in their recent contract. Could be they want to counter that somehow?

 

[BentOver]

Actually right here, but good assumption though!

I hate to say it but..... I've heard variations of that from 3 different sources in the last couple days. One I would think as more reliable than the typical "Delta's buying Hawaiian" rumor sources that have been out there for years.
So..... I could be eating my words OR it could be something as simple as the fact that DAL does a lot of our maint. And they are having discussions about that. I will say that AA has gotten approval for more codesharing with us in their recent contract. Could be they want to counter that somehow?

Add to that, I heard a mentioning of the Delta 767's we have. Maybe some sort of lease renegotiation of some sort. I think 1 or 2 of the Delta GE a/c were slated to leave this year...

 

[slaquer5]

Add to that, I heard a mentioning of the Delta 767's we have. Maybe some sort of lease renegotiation of some sort. I think 1 or 2 of the Delta GE a/c were slated to leave this year...

A Delta pilot told me that, even thought HA is cheep, HA does not own any of there aircraft. He said buying HA would be taking on a lot of debt. Any of this true ?

Why would an airline not own any aircraft?

 

[scoreboardII]

Taxes

 

[Dan Roman]

A Delta pilot told me that, even thought HA is cheep, HA does not own any of there aircraft. He said buying HA would be taking on a lot of debt. Any of this true ?

Why would an airline not own any aircraft?

We recently self financed all the 717's, we own outright some of the 767's. I'm no high finance expert, but I do know enough to say that our debt is in check for how much we have expanded and is getting paid off quicker than the min required. That said, I'm sure we would bring a lot of debt to the table that is worth it if it is for Hawaiian's future, but maybe not as much if it was just converted into a few more routes for DAL

 

[Dan Roman]

Add to that, I heard a mentioning of the Delta 767's we have. Maybe some sort of lease renegotiation of some sort. I think 1 or 2 of the Delta GE a/c were slated to leave this year...

Good point, although it's my understanding those are some of the 767's we own outright. But their could be talks about those or expanding a partnership.

 

[Jim]

We own the 4 former Delta 767s. We bought them cheap out of the desert and converted them to ETOPS.

 

[dalad]

I believe Ha owns 16 of 18 717's, 6 of the 767's, and 3 of the 330's. The rest are leased.

 

[Dan Roman]

Here's another thought. HA and DAL are the only? 717 operators in the U.S. Boeing just announced they are moving the 717 sim out of SEA to MIA. Perhaps we are trying to work a deal in that area. Hawaiian just purchased a new A330 sim that will be in HNL, so sim time is a high priority for us.

 

[Flyby1206]

Here's another thought. HA and DAL are the only? 717 operators in the U.S. Boeing just announced they are moving the 717 sim out of SEA to MIA. Perhaps we are trying to work a deal in that area. Hawaiian just purchased a new A330 sim that will be in HNL, so sim time is a high priority for us.

Or going with the 717 train of thought, could DAL be trying to work a deal to buy all the 717s? HA could replace their inter island flying with A319s (and Island Air ATRs) perhaps?

 

[Andy]

Page 25 of the annual report: 4 A330s, 7 767s, 15 717s, and 2 ATR-42 are owned.


Page 14: "At December 31, 2012, our total debt was $554.6 million, of which $489.8 million is fixed-rate debt."

Unrestricted cash and cash equivalents of $405.9 million.

HA's in good financial shape and not DAL's probably not looking to buy another carrier.

I'll go with the theory that DAL's looking for 717s.

 

[Dan Roman]

Interesting, it hadn't occurred to me but that makes sense. Do a 717 deal with DAL and get small Airbuses. HA has not been afraid of making bold moves of late.

 

[list2002]

HA getting their own sim is HUGE.

 

[list2002]

Will be very nice not to have to fly to the mainland for every training event.

 

[fam62c]

A Delta pilot told me that, even thought HA is cheep, HA does not own any of there aircraft. He said buying HA would be taking on a lot of debt. Any of this true ?

Why would an airline not own any aircraft?

If it fornicates, flies or floats........rent it!

 

[tomgoodman]

Why would an airline not own any aircraft?

Here's a brief explanation from one of the major players in airliner sale/leaseback deals:

http://www.wilmingtontrust.com/wtcom/index.jsp?fileid=3000125

 

[Dan Roman]

Will be very nice not to have to fly to the mainland for every training event.

Was told the savings more than pay for the sim

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

Interesting, it hadn't occurred to me but that makes sense. Do a 717 deal with DAL and get small Airbuses. HA has not been afraid of making bold moves of late.

1/29/2013... I said it...

"Ok back to the Delta Narrow Body orders, 24-30 more A/C!

Sounds like they are going after Hawaiians 717's, that and those couple that are left parked elsewhere. I'm sure Hawaiian would love to move them especially since they are currently moving them to the mainland for d checks (I think they were going to Miami at one time) a EMB product could do the same flying for much less or for that case, a Q-400 would be a much better aircraft for interisland flying. With the 321 neos coming it would keep the mainline jobs. I think there was something in the last Hawaiian contract about Scope/Mainline pilots Flying/regional feed but Dan Roman will have to fill us in which I'm sure he will.
Later,
KBB "

OK, Back to denial...
KBB

 

[Jim]

I can't see us giving the 717s to Delta. They have worked too well for us. But if we did, they would have to be replaced by another jet (not turboprop) as our contract calls for a minimum interisland jet fleet if there is any t-prop subsidiary (as we are now starting) and our A321NEO agreement calls for a dedicated interisland aircraft fleet in addition to the NEOs.

 

[Dan Roman]

What Jim said. In addition, while the Q400 may seem like a better suited A/C for the job, it simply doesn't have the capacity (75 seats) to carry the amount of traffic that travels inter island.
Kbb, what's the denial here? You work for SWA, you guys use jets on all kinds of short haul routes, you think SWA would be better off using q400's on their shorter routes? SMF/LAX etc? Of course not. Well it's pretty much the same thing.
The bigger question is, why, on this thread, has a couple of SWA guys tried to slip in some of that " your airline sucks mine is great" warrior spirit crap? Slaquer had a post that tried to make the point that HA was somehow overloaded with debt but didn't own any of their A/C (thanks Andy for the research) and KBB thinking HA could switch to an all Q400 fleet inter island shows a blatant lack of knowledge about Hawaiian Air and inter island flying.

I get the fact that I've ruffled your feathers with my take on your merger ( you get one guess why I would stick up for the smaller airline in any merger) but I certainly don't feel the need to put down SWA and all they have accomplished to try and bolster what my airline is doing. I mean really, the whole ALPA sucks SWAPA rules, my airline is great yours is not crap is pretty silly. I don't wish you guys ill, the reality is that the music has stopped for all our airlines and we all have chairs , non of us are going anywhere. Personally I think we are going to enter an era of big gains for all of us. The 3 big legacies are all going to be much stronger financially than the large carriers have ever been and with only 3 big legacies, their will lots of opportunity for the HA, AK,SWA,JB etc. to prosper. You just have to look at the retirement numbers and new min time requirements at the regional level to see that the supply and demand equation for pilots is about to become much more favorable for all of us. So you really don't need to see other airlines as the "enemy" We all need to see that when any other airline does good, it's better for all of us. The days of pilots taking concessions to compete are behind us, especially now with the impending demise of the USAPA social experiment. SWAPA doesn't need to see ALPA carriers as the enemy either. So you guys can chill with the passive aggressive comments towards HA......damn, I almost twisted my ankle stepping off my soapbox!

 

[Dan Roman]

1/29/2013... but Dan Roman will have to fill us in which I'm sure he will.
Later,
KBB "

OK, Back to denial...
KBB

You asked for it!

 

[808pilot]

Move this back to the majors where it belongs...

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

You asked for it!

That was on January 29th, OK, Your contract doesn't allow the Q (or the TP's) my reiteration is that the 717's could go away and the idea that you stated that you hadn't thought of that.

I don't care what happens to HA, I don't work there...If only more people could say the same about my airline!

Good Luck,
KBB