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From Aviation Week & ST

I think Comair is well positioned once DAL exits bankruptcy.
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Comair has asked the bankruptcy court to allow the airline to impose contract concessions on its pilots to avoid an $8 million spike in pilot labor costs, starting in January 2007.
The carrier's management and pilots, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, reached a concessionary deal last January that was contingent on Comair's obtaining certain costs savings from flight attendants. Since those targets weren't reached, ALPA opted to act on that contingency clause.
Comair told the court that ALPA rejected its subsequent offers, which the airline claims contain pay rates higher than pilots agreed to in January. "Time is running out for the pilots, whom ALPA represents, whose jobs are secure only if Comair becomes competitive and able to retain and grow its business."
If Comair management and ALPA fail to reach a deal before January, pre-bankruptcy concessions agreed to by pilots expire Dec. 31 as a result of Comair's failure to meet growth commitments that were key to those concessions. Comair has attached an $8 million price tag to the snapbacks.
Comair told the court it believed the latest proposal management delivered to pilots would make the carrier competitive for 70-seat and 76-seat flying for Delta that regional airlines are jockeying to win. Comair offered ALPA limited guarantees that if the two sides could reach a deal before the planes are awarded, Comair could keep no fewer than 22 70-seat planes and obtain a pledge from Delta for 40% of all unawarded regional jet flying in a 69- to 80-seat range that should be designated to a carrier before Dec. 31, 2007. Those pledges are subject to financing and creditor discussions.

In its argument to the court, Comair highlighted cost gaps between its pilots and those at other regional airlines. The airline pointed out that based on current pay rates, Comair is at a $13.5 million cost disadvantage per year to Mesa airlines, $8.3 million to Pinnacle and $7.6 million to former Delta subsidiary Atlantic Southeast Airlines. "These pay differentials are not simply illustrative market data points," Comair said. "These carriers are Comair's direct competitors, who have -- and will continue to -- bid against Comair for flying opportunities."
Comair pilot union leaders recently told members that its desire to reach a fair and equitable consensual deal remains strong. They pointed to their prior stance that pilots look forward to "real bargaining, not posturing." Discussions are tentatively scheduled between the two parties in the next two weeks.
 
Pinnacle can't win any flying from anyone until one of the following happens: NWA releases them from just flying with NWA or they get a second certificate, which would not be good for pilots unless our management lets us jump back and forth between. What does all this equal? Pinnacle will not be flying for anyone else than NWA so just cross them off the list.
 
Comair could keep no fewer than 22 70-seat planes and obtain a pledge from Delta for 40% of all unawarded regional jet flying in a 69- to 80-seat range that should be designated to a carrier before Dec. 31, 2007. s.


What does this mean?

"COULD KEEP"

And

"ALL UNAWARDED"

Sounds like a, "sorry boys to late"
 
What does this mean?

"COULD KEEP"

And

"ALL UNAWARDED"

Sounds like a, "sorry boys to late"
IE, the other airlines can't take over all at once, so it will happen in phases.

Read your Cincinnatti newspapers, the company is planning to phase out flight operations and offer vendor services to other airlines to keep the company going, its not looking good for Comair.
 
IE, the other airlines can't take over all at once, so it will happen in phases.

Read your Cincinnatti newspapers, the company is planning to phase out flight operations and offer vendor services to other airlines to keep the company going, its not looking good for Comair.

Then why waste the millions on the court proceedings, these motions aren't cheap. They may phase us out, but it seriously looks like DL wants to make us cheap to make some kind of cash of us to exit bankruptcy.
 
IE, the other airlines can't take over all at once, so it will happen in phases.

Read your Cincinnatti newspapers, the company is planning to phase out flight operations and offer vendor services to other airlines to keep the company going, its not looking good for Comair.


these are the people who vote yes for any contract because they believe the company when they say the worlds coming to an end
 
these are the people who vote yes for any contract because they believe the company when they say the worlds coming to an end

Exactly. If everything the company said was true, we would have liquidated a year ago.
 
I dont believe it until I get the letter sayin Im out of a job. Also, use these forums as a form of entertainment and nothing on reality. That is the only way to retain sanity. Especially with Delta Colors stamped on the A$$ of your plane.
 
Did you guys see the bid packet for December? 2100 hour increase in block hours in CVg on the 50. Also a slight increase on jfk and 70 seat packet too.
 
Hiring projections are way up too. Looks like a class of 8-12 every week starting mid-December.
 
Comair Math

Bare with me because this is complicated and makes absolutely no sense.

Comair claims that it's at a $13.8 million disadvadge to Mesa (presumably the cheepest pilots in the DCI system). It's currently asking for about $15.8 million from it's pilots, but will not give credit for the $8 million raise on January 1, despite the fact that it cites the raise as the reason it filed the 1113(c) motion. So if you weren't following along, that's $23.8 million ($15.8 + 8 million) in concessions, or a $10 million advantage to Mesa! Yeah, I'd say that's "competitive".
 
They're $13 million off after January '04 pay freeze. January '05 is null and void and was never signed.
 
Did you guys see the bid packet for December? 2100 hour increase in block hours in CVg on the 50. Also a slight increase on jfk and 70 seat packet too.

sept and jan = loss of block hours

may (ish) thru Aug and Nov/Dec = gain in block hours

always has been always will be.
 

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