DAL pilots could strike.

[General Lee]

"General,

You still didn't answer me...... how many guys failed to vote last time about the consessions? Why do you think ANY line pilot would not even bother to vote on such an important issue? Answer: ??????????? OBLIVIOUS

PS.... no way in HE!! the delta pukes will strike......they'll buckle and more consessions are in the works...... Moak talks a big game, but he is married to delta like the above posts said."


I think 14% did not vote. That is a lot, but really that is a mystery group to everyone---they could vote either way--nobody knows. I just flew with a Captain that was upgrading to 767 Captain from 73N Captain and he was in training during the vote. He said he was more focused on getting his 767 type than voting. I asked him what he would do this time, and he said "we have given enough." Were there others out there like that? Maybe. Is everyone fed up with this krap? I bet.

I am glad you think we will not strike. Just like you guys at UPS, right? Senator Ted Stevens wants to bring in more cargo cabotage (since the pax airlines are already saturated with LCCs and full terminals) and that would be interesting indeed. Would you strike then? Can you strike now?

Moak has to talk that way. We won't just fall over again and give it to them. You have to make a stink---you have to do this in the media. It is all about future bookings, and the busy Summer season. IF they throw out our contracts, we can strike then and there. That is a threat we have to throw out there, so they will actually have to negotiate. the Governor will get involved, and outside people will too because they have to----and that is better for us because right now DL won't give an inch. That is not acceptable. You are blowing this stuff way out of proportion. I don't think there will be an actual strike eventually, but you have to make noise to get them to the table. We never got into a nuclear war in the late 80's either, but we had to make threats to get through that period. Moak is doing what he is supposed to do.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Here it is again

[FONT=Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif]Delta pilots want wage concessions restored [/font]
Request made in union's latest offer on pay, benefit cuts to troubled carrier
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Associated Press[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Updated: 4:18 p.m. ET Feb. 10, 2006[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]ATLANTA - A Delta Air Lines Inc. official told management employees Friday that the company's pilots are asking that their wage scales be restored to December 2004 levels after a certain period.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Dan Lewis, the company's vice president of corporate communications, said in a memo to officers and directors that the request was made in the latest offer on new pay and benefit cuts by the union representing Delta's 6,000 pilots.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Lewis said the union also wants an interest-bearing note of roughly $1 billion, presumably in case the pilots' defined benefit pension is terminated. Lewis said Delta has offered the pilots a $300 million note.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The newly revealed terms come as negotiators for both sides try to reach a pact on a second round of concessions before a March 1 deadline. If they can't, a three-person arbitration panel will decide Delta's request that its contract with its pilots be thrown out so the company can impose $325 million in cuts unilaterally.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The chairman of the union's executive committee, Lee Moak, said Thursday that the pilots will strike if their contract is thrown out. The company has said a strike would put the nation's third-largest carrier out of business.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In late 2004, Delta's pilots agreed to $1 billion in annual concessions, which included a 32.5 percent pay cut. The company's latest proposal on new cuts asks for another 18 percent pay reduction, Lewis said in the memo. The union wants pay scales restored to the levels they were after the 2004 deal following a certain period, Lewis said. He didn't specify the period.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A union spokesman, Ken Frydman, did not immediately respond Friday to questions about the company memo.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Delta, which filed for bankruptcy protection in September, has said repeatedly that it needs $325 million in new concessions from its pilots as part of its turnaround plan. The pilots' latest offer calls for $115 million in annual concessions.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Lewis said in his memo that the company's latest offer reduces the total amount of concessions it is seeking from $325 million to $315 million, despite the risk that would add to Delta's restructuring plan. Moak said Thursday that Delta was still stuck at $325 million.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Lewis accused the union, the Air Line Pilots Association, of failing to share with the company the union's own financial analysis of what it believes the company requires for a successful reorganization.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"That has prevented the company from assessing the financial basis for ALPA's proposals," Lewis said.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Two months ago, Delta and its pilots reached an agreement on interim wage cuts of 14 percent and other cuts equal to an additional 1 percent wage reduction, which would be worth about $143 million to $152 million on an annual basis. The purpose was to give the sides time to reach a permanent comprehensive agreement.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Delta has reported $11.6 billion in losses since January 2001. It is scheduled to report its fourth-quarter and year-end 2005 results on Tuesday.[/FONT]


Eventual snap backs are key. There is a reason for this:


From Glen Hauenstein, Delta's new executive vice president and chief of Network and Revenue Management:
Q One of Delta's historical challenges has been its revenue disadvantage against other network carriers. Can that be corrected with this iteration of the business plan?
A Yes. For the first nine months of 2005, Delta's stage-length adjusted RASM was about 85 percent of the RASM achieved by other network carriers. Achieving a RASM level that is in line with other network carriers is worth about $2.5 billion in annual revenues. We believe we can improve these levels substantially by the end of 2006, with further improvements in 2007.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Einstein]

I again say: The Delta pilots will not strike. They will take it in the shorts and will prove what has been said before. "NO BALLS."

 

[General Lee]

I again say: The Delta pilots will not strike. They will take it in the shorts and will prove what has been said before. "NO BALLS."

Your second post was better than the first since it lacked many spelling mistakes. You could have placed a : before "NO BALLS", though. Keep working on it.......


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Cincinnati Post

Delta pilots: Threat of strike is real
By Bob Driehaus
Post staff reporter
Delta Air Lines pilots have a clear but lengthy path to go on strike and shut down the airline should negotiations that are already going badly hit a dead end.
The union declared Thursday that its pilots would go on strike if Delta successfully petitioned the bankruptcy court to void the pilots' contract and unilaterally impose salary and benefit cuts.
Darryl Jenkins, a veteran aviation industry expert and independent consultant, believes from private conversations with numerous pilots and analysis of Delta's management plans that the threat to strike is not hollow.
"I think this is more than saber-rattling. It would not surprise me if this went all the way. I have never seen a more angry group of pilots than I've seen at Delta right now. They're at the point where they feel that if they worked for free, Delta still wouldn't be able to turn this thing around," Jenkins said.
Negotiations are continuing in the hope of avoiding a strike. Delta sent a memo to senior managers Friday that said the company has lowered its demands in the hope of reaching an agreement.
"Our proposal, in fact, reduces the amount of the $325 million in annual concessions we are seeking from the pilots to $315 million annually, the equivalent of about 1 percent of pay. That change requires Delta to accept greater risk in our restructuring plan, but we feel such a move is worthwhile to demonstrate our preference to achieve a consensual agreement," the memo said.
"Additionally, while there is yet no determination on what will happen with the pilot pension plan, the proposal also includes a proposal for a $300 million long-term, interest bearing note, which would be provided by the Company if, in fact, the pilot defined benefit pension plan were to be terminated in the future."
Delta and its pilots are headed into uncharted waters if they pursue this course, aviation and labor law experts say. While other bankrupt airlines have reached the brink of tearing up labor contracts, last-minute accords have been reached in each case. In turn, no union has ever followed through on threats to strike under such conditions.
But Air Line Pilots Association Chairman Lee Moak said his fellow pilots are unafraid of taking the leap and striking because they question whether they would want to work for a company that would strip away pay and benefits at the level Delta is demanding.
Philip Way, a University of Cincinnati economics professor, said the Railway Labor Act that governs labor relations for airlines ensures that the process for striking is lengthy.
"If there is no agreement, either party can ask to assign a mediator. If the National Mediation Board isn't successful, it declares an impasse, and it offers binding arbitration. The problem is that both parties are supposed accept the offer," Way said.
If the pilots reject binding arbitration, there is a 30-day cooling-off period. If there is still no agreement reached, then the pilots are free to strike, he said, unless President Bush takes the extraordinary step of creating a Presidential Emergency Board.
That board could delay a legal strike for another 30 days, at which time the pilots could walk.
"The good news for the consumer is the procedures are long, and a win-win solution can be worked out in the interim," Way said.
Richard Bales, law professor and interim dean of Northern Kentucky University's Chase College of Law, said Delta is likely to ask the bankruptcy judge to bar the pilots from striking.
"The judge might impose the kind of penalty that broke the New York subway strike a few months back - impose a hefty per-day fine both on ALPA and on individual strikers. (But) it is unclear whether the bankruptcy judge would have the legal authority to enjoin an ALPA strike," Bales said.
He said the union is likely to counter that argument by arguing that an injunction would be prohibited by the Norris-LaGuardia Act, a 1932 law that broadly prohibits federal courts from enjoining strikes.
Lynn LoPucki, a University of California-Los Angeles law professor and bankruptcy expert, said it's an open question whether a bankruptcy judge could legally stop the strike but that it would be in keeping with recent labor battles for Delta to seek that path.
Kelly Collins, a spokeswoman for the pilots' union, said Friday that union lawyers have concluded that the union is well within its rights to strike.
Bruce Hicks, a spokesman for Delta, declined to discuss what strategy the airline would employ if the pilots pursued a strike.
"We believe the best prevention is reaching a consensual agreement, and that's where all of our energies are focused. We're committed to finding a consensual agreement. There is an agreed-upon process in place, and we're going to continue pursuing it," he said.
Jenkins, the aviation industry expert, is pessimistic about the negotiations and disenchanted with Delta's management strategy.
"I have lost all respect for Delta. There was a time when Delta only cared about making money. Now the only thing they're worried about is doing damage to a low-cost competitor. Their strategy on this is just to lose massive amounts of money.
"For years, I (defended) Delta on real awful issues. Today, I just can't see anything at all I want to defend them on," he said.



And, our previous BK judge--Prudence Beatty---ripped into the DL CFO on the stand telling him that the Federal Courts cannot step in to stop a strike, and asked what the Railway Labor Act had to do with it? I guess President Bush could always try to intervene, unless he is busy with IRAN.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Heavy Set]

Your second post was better than the first since it lacked many spelling mistakes. You could have placed a : before "NO BALLS", though. Keep working on it.......


Bye Bye--General Lee

Great response. That Einstein guy is a complete tool and he knows it....

 

[mdanno808]

If the pilot's are so angry at management over there at DAL, then why on earth are they still helping management by flying open time? "Contractually allowed" doesn't matter much when your contract is being threatened with an 1113 motion right? Cancelling flights may just teach them how important the pilots are.

 

[General Lee]

If the pilot's are so angry at management over there at DAL, then why on earth are they still helping management by flying open time? "Contractually allowed" doesn't matter much when your contract is being threatened with an 1113 motion right? Cancelling flights may just teach them how important the pilots are.

Well, the flights will go regardless. If someone wants to pick up some time and pad his check, then he can fly the trip for time and a half. IF nobody picks it up (and greenslips go out only after all reserves are used), then they will find somebody who doesn't want to fly it (at home, with kids etc) and give an inverse assignment, worth DOUBLE the pay. It costs the company more, and the guy flying it probably doesn't want to do it. So, greenslips help the company save some money, and somebody flying it actually wants to do it, for whatever reason. Usually very senior pilots in the category get greenslips, and that is called seniority. But, somebody will fly the trip, regardless. They will find you. But, I know what you are getting at. Remember that we were sued and actually LOST the case for not wanting to pick up overtime in our C2K negotiations. I couldn't understand then how they could force people to pick up overtime. It made no sense to us then too.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Networ-King]

Networ-King, in a perfect world with a strong union, that would be great. You don't either. And morgage company's don't really care that you've taken a 40% cut in pay, anymore than they cared when you took a 100% cut in pay.

And I don't look down on anyone for doing what they need to do to take care of their families. THAT, my friend, is their first repsonsiblity. ALPA support of their sisters and brothers, beit from national or the local level, is WAY WAY down the list.

And that's just the way it is.

good luck.

FUNNY.....

The eastern scabs had the same mentality...... me me me.... and yet they are labled for life. Can't wait to see how many of these pukes would cross the line for the above said reasons in your post "if" and thats a BIG IF, a strike ever does happens. Just remember one thing..... all the guys that are still on furlough also have to make their mortgage payments, pay their medical bills, put food on the table, pay for their kids schooling, pay for their cars and on and on....... and like you said, all the furloughed guys took a 100% paycut and they are still making it after 4 years.... you think the guys that took a 47% cut could manage.....any of this getting through to you...... you can make all the excuses you want, but the bottom line is with that mentality there is no UNITY.... contractual or not.... its wrong....


General.....

14% of your brothers don't give a flying you know what to vote on one of the most important contracts of their career....... hhhhmmm wonder what would have happened if they actually gave a rats arse???? yey for alpa.

stay united

 

[Networ-King]

Well, the flights will go regardless. If someone wants to pick up some time and pad his check, then he can fly the trip for time and a half. IF nobody picks it up (and greenslips go out only after all reserves are used), then they will find somebody who doesn't want to fly it (at home, with kids etc) and give an inverse assignment, worth DOUBLE the pay. It costs the company more, and the guy flying it probably doesn't want to do it. So, greenslips help the company save some money, and somebody flying it actually wants to do it, for whatever reason. Usually very senior pilots in the category get greenslips, and that is called seniority. But, somebody will fly the trip, regardless. They will find you. But, I know what you are getting at. Remember that we were sued and actually LOST the case for not wanting to pick up overtime in our C2K negotiations. I couldn't understand then how they could force people to pick up overtime. It made no sense to us then too.

Bye Bye--General Lee

"they will find you" huh???? how convenient.... now most of the pilots I know don't even bother answering the unknow phone numbers and they don't seem to get caught by the company unless they want to be caught......general..... losen up that double breasted suit a little the, lack of O2 is making you delusional. Company saves money by pilots flying greenslips because they don't have to recall their furloughed guys back you tool.... hence the point of this whole thing..... man... take another hit of that crack pipe bro..... Im done with you, its freaking pointless. I feel sorry for the furloughed guys actually wanting to go back to mother douche.......

 

[737 Pylt]

737,

Im part of the first 400 to get furloughed from mother douche. Yes I know its a contractual right to fly opentime and screw the furloughs, but my point is that delta line pilots should be doing what your doing. Their job and no more. It wouldn't take long to bring back the furloughs if guys would just stop being so darn greedy. Sad thing is that its not the top 400 guys whoring themselves out anymore. I was trying to nonrev the other day and the Mad dog got filled up so I sat up front and the freaking FO was on a greenslip, not the captain the FO. Contractually his right you are correct, but one of the worst things line pilots could do to their furloughed ....supposed brothers and sisters.

My sincerest apologies if I sounded like I was coming off too strong. It sucks to be furloughed. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. You are one of the reasons I do not greenslip. Its not my fault they can't staff the airline. I can't tell you how many trips I have been on since I went to the 767 that captains all say, "if I don't, someone junior to me will." Its the lamest excuse, and I always tell them the same thing, They're full of sh%&!

Now Dalpa could grow a pair like the AMWEST alpa and fine the guys that fly opentime.....there mec put out a memo telling pilots that they could fly opentime, but would have to pay a certain amount.... any AMWEST guys have that memo still????

The only response I have to that, is remember the lawsuit prior to CK2000 with regards to flying open time!? It really is a pandora's box.
It really put DALPA in a bad situation.

Glass houses? Im sorry if you don't know what company is called brown, but thats where Im hoping to hang my hat till 60 or 65 whichever. Things could go south here too, but at least the IPA is a true brotherhood and a true union, not just a bunch of greedy SOB's whoring themselves out. I believe last month the delta greedy pukes flew 890 hours of opentime again.....hhhhhmmmm I wonder how many of the furloughed guys on the SNRL that are still waiting would have been recalled by now if all that open time would have been left alone???? (AND I DO MEAN OPENTIME FOR THE LAST 4 YEARS 3 MONTHS AND 11 DAYS????) Who cares though huh? As long as they have their jobs being furloughed is part of being junior.......

Networking:
I envy you, I wish I could work for UPS, Fed Ex, SWA, JB or other profitable companies, however, I have sown my roots, if this thing dies, its time to just rely on plan "A".
One thing I have realized about alpa having been a member for more than 15 years is this:

It is not a union, it is an association. Most members of this "association," have different agendas. If you set your expectations lower, you will not be dissapointed. It works for me.
737

 

[jbDC9]

Well, the flights will go regardless. ...then they will find somebody who doesn't want to fly it (at home, with kids etc) and give an inverse assignment, worth DOUBLE the pay. ....But, somebody will fly the trip, regardless. They will find you.

They will find you? Umm, only if you want to be found. If you don't want to be junior manned while on days off at home, with the kids or whatever, it's very simple; don't answer the phone. Use Caller ID, it works quite well for this.

The only way they're gonna junior man me is by grabbing me off the plane at the end of a trip and putting me on another. But at home, scheduling can't get me. They're easy to avoid by just checking the caller ID... if it's something important or regarding my next trip, I'm sure they'll leave a message.

 

[Networ-King]

They will find you? Umm, only if you want to be found. If you don't want to be junior manned while on days off at home, with the kids or whatever, it's very simple; don't answer the phone. Use Caller ID, it works quite well for this.

The only way they're gonna junior man me is by grabbing me off the plane at the end of a trip and putting me on another. But at home, scheduling can't get me. They're easy to avoid by just checking the caller ID... if it's something important or regarding my next trip, I'm sure they'll leave a message.

Dude,

Your waisting your breath with this guy. He's no longer on the company koolaid... he has move up to the company crack pipe and he's toking away like there aint tomorrow<--------------punn intended.

 

[Networ-King]

My sincerest apologies if I sounded like I was coming off too strong. It sucks to be furloughed. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. You are one of the reasons I do not greenslip. Its not my fault they can't staff the airline. I can't tell you how many trips I have been on since I went to the 767 that captains all say, "if I don't, someone junior to me will." Its the lamest excuse, and I always tell them the same thing, They're full of sh%&!


The only response I have to that, is remember the lawsuit prior to CK2000 with regards to flying open time!? It really is a pandora's box.
It really put DALPA in a bad situation.


Networking:
I envy you, I wish I could work for UPS, Fed Ex, SWA, JB or other profitable companies, however, I have sown my roots, if this thing dies, its time to just rely on plan "A".
One thing I have realized about alpa having been a member for more than 15 years is this:

It is not a union, it is an association. Most members of this "association," have different agendas. If you set your expectations lower, you will not be dissapointed. It works for me.
737

No harm no foul man.....

Don't fool yourself by thinking about envying me, last 4 and a 1/2 years have been a goat rope to say the least, but I've managed. I've had my fair share of humble pie, to see all the greedy whores at delta stabbing all the furloughed guys is one thing, but to hear somebody defending them and their back stabbing mentality is not easy to sit on the side line and say nothing.

This whole brown thing could end up in the crapper tomorrow, but at least I know this pilot group will go down swinging and TOGETHER, not with their tails tucked between their legs while sucking on their thumbs.

Thanks for the kind words though, I appreciate it. I just hope all the other furloughed brothers and sisters can put delta behind them and find a better place. Imagine how fun it would be sitting next to the PRP going across the pond and the greenslipping whore bragging about how much money he made while you were on furlough, because if he didn't fly it..... someone else would have??? wow....

 

[General Lee]

"they will find you" huh???? how convenient.... now most of the pilots I know don't even bother answering the unknow phone numbers and they don't seem to get caught by the company unless they want to be caught......general..... losen up that double breasted suit a little the, lack of O2 is making you delusional. Company saves money by pilots flying greenslips because they don't have to recall their furloughed guys back you tool.... hence the point of this whole thing..... man... take another hit of that crack pipe bro..... Im done with you, its freaking pointless. I feel sorry for the furloughed guys actually wanting to go back to mother douche.......

Of course you can stop answering your phone, but you know that out of 500 pilots in a category, someone's kid will accidentally answer the phone and hand it to dad. That is the way it goes. Ever heard of ACARS? Think they can't get you before you leave the plane? If you don't respond on ACARS, then they will SELCAL you until you answer. Never thought of that, eh? I didn't think so. And, I WANT THE FURLOUGHED PILOTS BACK TOO. I WISH THEY WOULD ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN, BUT I AM NOT INCHARGE. You need to understand that, and I have been a total advocate the whole time. I am just relaying the facts---which you can't take. Now you are at UPS. That is wonderful for you, absolutely. Great. Now you can worry about your own problems there, or maybe come back here someday. If you don't, oh well. You really do NOT have a grasp of the situation over here, and it is understandable. You have a lot of assumptions, and a lot of them are not correct. Please tell me how you would have changed our situation. You would have had everyone stop flying greenslips. (you forgot about the lawsuit we lost) You would have changed the way our senior guys got their pension lump sums or best three years. (You just stopped the migration of 2300 Captains to the golf course, and another 1500 pilots on the bottom would have joined you on the street) You really have no good answers, and neither did we. It was the situation, and it has played out. Get a life and fly your brown 757. I am done with you too BRO.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

They will find you? Umm, only if you want to be found. If you don't want to be junior manned while on days off at home, with the kids or whatever, it's very simple; don't answer the phone. Use Caller ID, it works quite well for this.

The only way they're gonna junior man me is by grabbing me off the plane at the end of a trip and putting me on another. But at home, scheduling can't get me. They're easy to avoid by just checking the caller ID... if it's something important or regarding my next trip, I'm sure they'll leave a message.

As I said to good ole Networ King, if they have 500 people in category, it is absolutely true that eventually they will find some kid to answer the phone and give it to dad. It happens. And, you are right, they do use ACARS to get people before they get off the plane(inflight). It happens.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Dizel8]

I WANT THE FURLOUGHED PILOTS BACK TOO. I WISH THEY WOULD ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN, BUT I AM NOT INCHARGE.

But you are, refuse to fly overtime. Claim fattigue, the cold, whatever it takes. Flying overtime with company pilots on the streets is an insult to them, defending the same is inexcusable.

 

[General Lee]

But you are, refuse to fly overtime. Claim fattigue, the cold, whatever it takes. Flying overtime with company pilots on the streets is an insult to them, defending the same is inexcusable.

Say what? Who said I take greenslips? If I got greenslips I wouldn't be able to be on this forum as much. You know that. And, you seem to be not understanding what happened during our C2K contract---the one where we brought pay levels up to the highest they have ever been? We were sued for not picking up as much overtime, and WE LOST. WE LOST. We could be sued again and the union would get fined millions. Then we get the bill after that. I understand what you are saying, and I agree. But remember, they would find a way, thru ACAR'ing people in the cockpit to calling their homes looking for the kids to answer. The flights will go. And, I want the furloughs to come back as soon as possible, but they will not come back until the company wants them back. It will be a great day when the last furlough gets back on the property.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[buttercup]

Delta pilots dont have the heart to strike. They are followers not leaders. The only time they led was when they gave concessions in 96. When it came to getting top pay they never that the fortitude of the UAL group. Even in good times UAL had to raise the bar and DAL had their UAL+1 campaign. Cowards.

 

[General Lee]

Delta pilots dont have the heart to strike. They are followers not leaders. The only time they led was when they gave concessions in 96. When it came to getting top pay they never that the fortitude of the UAL group. Even in good times UAL had to raise the bar and DAL had their UAL+1 campaign. Cowards.

Thanks Dad. Say what? Are you drunk? We got the highest pay, and UAL was up first with their contract. You are cool.....

Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Heavy Set]

Delta pilots dont have the heart to strike. They are followers not leaders. The only time they led was when they gave concessions in 96. When it came to getting top pay they never that the fortitude of the UAL group. Even in good times UAL had to raise the bar and DAL had their UAL+1 campaign. Cowards.

You're an idiot. Flame bait!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for your contribution.

 

[ultrarunner]

Cincinnati Post

Delta pilots: Threat of strike is real


I guess President Bush could always try to intervene...

Bye Bye--General Lee

Ha. If the contract get's thrown out, a PEB would be useless. A PEB ONLY applies to UNION EMPLOYEES who have chosen self-help as allowed under the the RLA.

If the CBA is thrown out the RLA will not apply to this employee group.

 

[ultrarunner]

I couldn't understand then how they could force people to pick up overtime. It made no sense to us then too.

Bye Bye--General Lee

It's called "status quo" General. And management can go to the courts to enforce it.

If you're guys are picking up, say, 1000 hrs a month consistently and all of a sudden STOP...that 'aint 'Status Quo'.

 

[PCL_128]

General, I agree with you 99% of the time, but this greenslip thing is just not right. I ride up front on the MD-88 all the time when I commute, and invariably, one of the crewmembers is on a greenslip trip. It really takes a lot for me to hold my tongue, especially since I know a few DAL furloughs that would love to be back in the right seat of that -88. I'm not advocating any sort of ALPA-sanctioned refusal to pick up overtime, but I have no respect for anyone that picks up greenslip flying while a single DAL furlough is out on the street. You've always been a big supporter of the furloughs, so I'm surprised that you are watering down the actions of these greenslip guys.

 

[Dizel8]

by me

 

[Dizel8]

It really takes a lot for me to hold my tongue

Wow, PFT128!

 

[PCL_128]

Wow, PFT128!

YAWN....

You guys are really going to have to come up with some new material.

 

[satpak77]

back to basics

DELTA PILOTS WILL NOT STRIKE

that is "strike", not "vote to strike"

PERIOD, END OF STORY.

 

[Boeingman]

YAWN....

You guys are really going to have to come up with some new material.

Truth still stinging a little PCL? You are the last guy on the planet that should be talking about respect. My guess is that Delata MD88 pilot has no bones in his closet or questions about his integrity about entering the industry.

You still don't get it do you about why people think you are a joke?

 

[michael707767]

I'm not advocating any sort of ALPA-sanctioned refusal to pick up overtime, but I have no respect for anyone that picks up greenslip flying while a single DAL furlough is out on the street. You've always been a big supporter of the furloughs, so I'm surprised that you are watering down the actions of these greenslip guys.

I agree with you. I have been disgusted by our union and by our pilots. Volunteering to fly overtime with pilots on the street is shameful.

I have not flown a greenslip since the furloughs began, and I will not fly one until every furloughed pilot is back on the property.