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Delta seeks pension relief
CEO, union, retirees lobby Congress

By RUSSELL GRANTHAM
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 03/18/05

Delta Air Lines, its employees and other carriers with traditional retirement plans are asking Congress for more relief from pension fund contributions they say will swamp sinking cash reserves.

In a letter to several members of Congress, Delta and its allies seek more flexibility to avoid a big jump in cash payments.

Last year Congress altered the payment formula to help airlines, but that measure expires at year-end.

Delta faces a $5.3 billion shortfall in pension trust funds that it is required to keep to cover retirees' payments. This year the airline expects to spend $450 million in much-needed cash on the shortfall and other pension plan expenses.

Delta wants Congress to allow airlines to spread catch-up contributions over 25 years, significantly lowering the annual cash drain.

Without relief, the payments "threaten our ongoing efforts to restructure Delta as a viable airline," said Delta Chief Executive Gerald Grinstein, Air Line Pilots Association President Duane Woerth, and several Delta employees and retirees said in the letter to members of Congress.

The Bush administration has a pension reform proposal that would give carriers two extra years to make payments but increase Delta's cash drain by changing how make-up payments are calculated, the airline contends.

Delta and allies including Northwest and American say pension relief is needed to avoid more airline bankruptcies that could result in terminating pension plans and dumping liabilities onto the deficit-ridden Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp. The quasi-government firm insures pension payments to retirees up to certain limits.

Delta's employees and pilots union are part of the lobbying effort, and about 30 employees lobbied on Capitol Hill Thursday.

They could face an uphill battle. The PBGC, where Labor Secretary Elaine Chao heads the board of directors, favors the Bush administration's proposal.

Earlier this month, PBGC Executive Director Bradley Belt testified that Congress needs to scrap overly complex pension funding rules that "allow companies with underfunded plans to defer contributions for many years into the future."

Kevin Smith, a spokesman for the House Education and Workforce Committee, indicated another relief proposal for airlines probably won't get a warm welcome.

"We're looking at reform and not relief," said Smith. The committee is chaired by Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio), a recipient of Delta's letter.

Delta's pension funds are among the least-healthy in the industry, despite recent moves to freeze its traditional pensions and shift employees to less costly retirement plans.

Delta, which warned last week that it will run short of cash this year unless conditions improve or it sells assets, expects this year's pension contribution of $450 million to rise in coming years.

Airline analyst Roger E. King, in a recent report for CreditSights, estimated the annual cash drain from payments into Delta's pension plans will rise to $900 million by 2007.

Airlines with traditional plans face a growing cost disadvantage to other carriers that have shed their plans in bankruptcy and low-cost carriers that don't have traditional pension plans. United and US Airways, both reorganizing in bankruptcy court, have terminated some plans and turned them over to the PBGC. Meanwhile, some discount carriers that don't have such pensions oppose giving rivals additional relief.
 
Sleepy, (Mr. "Lowes")


I believe FDJ2 stated yesterday that this was mainly about the non-union employees, and that our pilot pension was frozen and isn't costing the company as much right now. As the article points out, everyone--ALPA, the company etc is lobbying Congress to extend the payments out. If they can't do it, then I guess it will be gone eventually. I am 40 and I have already decided that I probably won't have one, so I would vote it down if it came to a vote. I will invest more on the outside.


Enjoy Lowes Sleepy, that is my favorite home hardware store. They kick everyone elses butt!


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Kill the pensions (that includes mgt types and get back Leo's $16M) ...

Stop the paycuts...restore yearly raises

Learn to invest on your own...

Put your future in your own hands...take care of yourself...

Same goes for Social Security...
 
General Lee said:
Sleepy, (Mr. "Lowes")


I believe FDJ2 stated yesterday that this was mainly about the non-union employees, and that our pilot pension was frozen and isn't costing the company as much right now. As the article points out, everyone--ALPA, the company etc is lobbying Congress to extend the payments out. If they can't do it, then I guess it will be gone eventually. I am 40 and I have already decided that I probably won't have one, so I would vote it down if it came to a vote. I will invest more on the outside.


Enjoy Lowes Sleepy, that is my favorite home hardware store. They kick everyone elses butt!


Bye Bye--General Lee

General,

I did not make any comments, I just posted the article from the AJC FYI. I hope that DAL can work the whole thing out, but even a optimist like you must admit that things aren't so rosey for DAL right now. With the pension problem, oil at close to $60 a barrel (and no hedging), cash flow problems, no more capital to borrow against.... But hey, you guy did finish third behind JB and SWA in customer satisfaction. That was certainly unexpected.

As for Lowes, where did you get the idea that I work for Lowes? I live in Atlanta,GA. Lowes flight department is based in North Carolina. I have not even shopped in a Lowes, ever. I like the hometown store, Home Depot. Just like I like the hometown airline, Airtran!
 
sleepy said:
General,

I did not make any comments, I just posted the article from the AJC FYI. I hope that DAL can work the whole thing out, but even a optimist like you must admit that things aren't so rosey for DAL right now. With the pension problem, oil at close to $60 a barrel (and no hedging), cash flow problems, no more capital to borrow against.... But hey, you guy did finish third behind JB and SWA in customer satisfaction. That was certainly unexpected.

As for Lowes, where did you get the idea that I work for Lowes? I live in Atlanta,GA. Lowes flight department is based in North Carolina. I have not even shopped in a Lowes, ever. I like the hometown store, Home Depot. Just like I like the hometown airline, Airtran!

Sleepy,


I am just joking with you and have already figured out who you work for.

I know DL isn't in great shape. We all know that. And, if they need to dump the pension (sans an agreement with Congress), then so be it. I have figured out as of late that it is up to me to provide a retirement for me and my wife. Since she doesn't want to work at Cheetahs, (she is more of a Gold Club type babe---too bad that place closed) I will have to save even more and try to build up some sort of pile we can live off of in 20 years. That's the way it is I guess.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General Lee said:
Sleepy,


I am just joking with you and have already figured out who you work for.

I know DL isn't in great shape. We all know that. And, if they need to dump the pension (sans an agreement with Congress), then so be it. I have figured out as of late that it is up to me to provide a retirement for me and my wife. Since she doesn't want to work at Cheetahs, (she is more of a Gold Club type babe---too bad that place closed) I will have to save even more and try to build up some sort of pile we can live off of in 20 years. That's the way it is I guess.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Maybe she could get a job at the Clairmont? A 40 year old woman would bring a new spark of youth and vigor to the place!
 
sleepy said:
Maybe she could get a job at the Clairmont? A 40 year old woman would bring a new spark of youth and vigor to the place!

Who said she was 40? I was considered a craddle robber at our wedding. Of course, I don't look 40.....?(you know I ride bikes, lift weights...etc....)


Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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