DAL MEC response rumor...

[InclusiveScope]

Rumor has it the DAL MEC has rejected managments proposal. The problem they have with it is more furloughs and retirement changes. Official response being prepared for Sat. morning.

 

[NYRANGERS]

Threemoe

Rumor has it the DAL MEC has rejected managments proposal. The problem they have with it is more furloughs and retirement changes. Official response being prepared for Sat. morning.

It was rejected from the first time DALPA reviewed it, a few days ago. Unless Delta revised their proposal, this is not new or a surprise.

The meeting on Thursday was to clarify specifics on managements proposal. This will be the starting point if there are to be negotiations.

 

[On Your Six]

Threats of any additional furloughs would produce an immediate negative response. I heard DAL was short of pilots anyway given the mass retirements (with a lot more to come)...

 

[NYRANGERS]

Delta crew planner at August recall class.........."as it stands now, we are 400 pilots short".

Bid monitor report for August shows around 6700 active Delta pilots with a surplus of around 70. Historically (sp) the bid monitor refects a norm of around 500 overage.

No matter how you look at the CURRENT situation, we are short of pilots. Hence the possibility of seeing 500 pilots retire between Sept. and Oct. caused a possible BK filing due to grounding of some widebody aircraft if the retirement numbers come to fruition.

Fun industry.

 

[DDpaysoff]

Anything you hear from planning are based on current work rules. They have no idea what is going on.

 

[InclusiveScope]

Delta crew planner at August recall class.........."as it stands now, we are 400 pilots short".

"as it stands now" you have different work rules than AA, USA, and United. When you have the new work rules, you will have about 1500 extra pilots. I have to agree that the "new" Delta will only need about 5000-6000 pilots.

 

[I.P. Freley]

>>>the possibility of seeing 500 pilots retire between Sept. and Oct.<<<

Okay, the state of Delta is something I've not paid much attention to, but is this number correct? 500 retirements in two months? Or is there a sarcasm here that went *whoosh* right over my head?

 

[NYRANGERS]

"as it stands now" you have different work rules than AA, USA, and United. When you have the new work rules, you will have about 1500 extra pilots. I have to agree that the "new" Delta will only need about 5000-6000 pilots.

Maybe so. We have around 6700 active pilots flying at Delta, as per August bid monitor.

I hired on at number 10,123 in May of 2001. I am now 7995 with around 200 on SOL. We are furloughing, but it is comming from the top of the list.

 

[NYRANGERS]

>>>the possibility of seeing 500 pilots retire between Sept. and Oct.<<<

Okay, the state of Delta is something I've not paid much attention to, but is this number correct? 500 retirements in two months? Or is there a sarcasm here that went *whoosh* right over my head?

The 500 number is the high side of the possibility. June saw close to 300 retire early and there are still over 1500 pilots over 50 in a position to retire early. The big exodus would come when more talk of BK and the threat of distress termination of the pension and lump sum accrual.

NYR

 

[I.P. Freley]

Oh, I see, EARLY retirement. It bordered on the unbelievable that nearly 10% of your pilots would be hitting sixty in the space of two months.

 

[DaveGriffin]

It was rejected from the first time DALPA reviewed it, a few days ago. Unless Delta revised their proposal, this is not new or a surprise.

The meeting on Thursday was to clarify specifics on managements proposal. This will be the starting point if there are to be negotiations.

The MEC may reject it now to placate the lower third of the seniority list, but the furloughees and other juniors KNOW they will end up getting screwed so that the whatever pay and benefits are left after the $1B giveback will be directed into the pockets of the top third of the seniority list.

The MEC will cave after their tradtional posturing. That's just the way it goes.

The strategy of waiting for 3 years, booking the best three years of their careers while the fuloughees carreers and lives were on hold, is strategy that serves ONLY the top of the seniority list. And the greedy b*stards know it.

 

[miles otoole]

The MEC may reject it now to placate the lower third of the seniority list, but the furloughees and other juniors KNOW they will end up getting screwed so that the whatever pay and benefits are left after the $1B giveback will be directed into the pockets of the top third of the seniority list.

The MEC will cave after their tradtional posturing. That's just the way it goes.

The strategy of waiting for 3 years, booking the best three years of their careers while the fuloughees carreers and lives were on hold, is strategy that serves ONLY the top of the seniority list. And the greedy b*stards know it.

I unfortunately agree with Dave.

 

[DL_Infidel]

The MEC may reject it now to placate the lower third of the seniority list, but the furloughees and other juniors KNOW they will end up getting screwed so that the whatever pay and benefits are left after the $1B giveback will be directed into the pockets of the top third of the seniority list.

The MEC will cave after their tradtional posturing. That's just the way it goes.

The strategy of waiting for 3 years, booking the best three years of their careers while the fuloughees carreers and lives were on hold, is strategy that serves ONLY the top of the seniority list. And the greedy b*stards know it.

I'm sure if you were in the top 1/3 of the list you would be giving half of your pay check each month to the furlough fund. If not, what sacrifice would you make Dave to help the lower 1/3? Most of the furloughees at DL feel the "seniors" have not sold them out but if fact assisted them in their time of need...being furloughed myself for 7 months, I appreciate everything they did. Most are not "greedy b*stards".

As far as the rest of your post, it's tough to respond to fortune telling. I am curious, though, as to where your hatred of senior DL pilots stems from.


DL_Infidel

 

[mandopicker]

Rumor has it the DAL MEC has rejected managments proposal. The problem they have with it is more furloughs and retirement changes. Official response being prepared for Sat. morning.

I'm not sure who your source is or how reliable they are but I specifically asked my rep today if ALPA had ANY indication that Delta would like to furlough more or stop recalls. His response was that "we have been given no information regarding this." ALPA also hasn't received a status report or advanced briefing on the results of the review. Supposedly ALPA will receive briefings on elements of the plan shortly before they are made public.

I'll take your rumor with a grain of salt.

 

[InclusiveScope]

I'm not sure who your source is or how reliable they are but I specifically asked my rep today if ALPA had ANY indication that Delta would like to furlough more or stop recalls. His response was that "we have been given no information regarding this." ALPA also hasn't received a status report or advanced briefing on the results of the review. Supposedly ALPA will receive briefings on elements of the plan shortly before they are made public.

I'll take your rumor with a grain of salt.

Let me guess, you believe everything your status reps. tell you because they are looking out for your best interests. You will learn...

 

[NYRANGERS]

Let me guess, you believe everything your status reps. tell you because they are looking out for your best interests. You will learn...

Right........but your rumor, as an asa pilot talking about what was talked about in a the ATL Delta crew room is accurate?

 

[mandopicker]

Let me guess, you believe everything your status reps. tell you because they are looking out for your best interests. You will learn...

I trust my MEC a helluva lot more than I trust the words of some RJDC loser.

 

[MDPilot]

I trust my MEC a helluva lot more than I trust the words of some RJDC loser.

AMEN!!!

 

[grinder]

There sure is a lot of non-DALPA guys bilging senior Delta dudes. What's up with that?

 

[DL_Infidel]

There sure is a lot of non-DALPA guys bilging senior Delta dudes. What's up with that?

Grinder,

Comes with the territory. A combination of past history and mistakes made by both sides. Finger pointing, personal attacks and childish games that I don't let my kids get away with. They couldn't acheive what we have attained as individuals through our blood, sweat and tears. So, they are trying to take (instead of earn) via the courts (via Dan Ford and RJDC attorneys) what is "rightfully" theirs. As you know, it's always easier to blame others for your misfortunes in life than to take responsibility. If you read enough of their (RJDC) propaganda, you may be led to believe that DALPA is the great Satan due to the injustices thrust upon them by our "predatory bargaining/scope".

And sometimes people are just plain p!ssed off that we still have a good contract and are well represented by our union.


DL_Infidel

ps...Grinder, you'd be a shoe-in here at DL...a lot of P3 drivers here.