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9rj9

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These clowns took pay cuts for this....


For the recent quarter, the Atlanta carrier (DAL:
Last: 7.95-1.98-19.94%
said it lost $1.4 billion, or $2.11 a share, compared to a loss of $70 million, or 18 cents a share, in the year-ago period. Delta was hit by a $900 million non-cash charge related to employee equity awards in the most recent period, as well as a $91 million loss on out-of-period fuel hedges.
 
These clowns took pay cuts for this....


For the recent quarter, the Atlanta carrier (DAL:
Last: 7.95-1.98-19.94%
said it lost $1.4 billion, or $2.11 a share, compared to a loss of $70 million, or 18 cents a share, in the year-ago period. Delta was hit by a $900 million non-cash charge related to employee equity awards in the most recent period, as well as a $91 million loss on out-of-period fuel hedges.


There's nothing to spin. 900 million of that loss went right into the employees pockets. Time will tell on the paycuts. To put it another way, if Delta pilots--that's also NWA pilots take a true paycut in 2009, there will be 1 or more majors, and several LCCs in BK--taking pay cuts worse than Delta employees.
 
Wow, someone is miffed!!!

These clowns took pay cuts for this....


For the recent quarter, the Atlanta carrier (DAL:
Last: 7.95-1.98-19.94%
said it lost $1.4 billion, or $2.11 a share, compared to a loss of $70 million, or 18 cents a share, in the year-ago period. Delta was hit by a $900 million non-cash charge related to employee equity awards in the most recent period, as well as a $91 million loss on out-of-period fuel hedges.

Hey at least $900million went straight to employees instead of execs.... Not sure what paycuts you speak of, but at least it wasn't a 1.5 billion loss, there some spin for ya!
 
There's nothing to spin. 900 million of that loss went right into the employees pockets. Time will tell on the paycuts. To put it another way, if Delta pilots--that's also NWA pilots take a true paycut in 2009, there will be 1 or more majors, and several LCCs in BK--taking pay cuts worse than Delta employees.


Oh yes there is, you guys still lost money even after one time charges. In this case a loss is a loss!

Thats ok at least the general will come back on here and tell us how much LBB overnights suck.
 
Oh yes there is, you guys still lost money even after one time charges. In this case a loss is a loss!

Thats ok at least the general will come back on here and tell us how much LBB overnights suck.

Hey ****************************** bag. Get your own house in order. After 2 quarters of losses and dwindling cash, LUV isn't all its cracked up to be. Matter of fact, you're just like every other carrier out there.
Did you send in your application to Volaris yet? At least all that money wasted on that type won't go unused after your furlough, junior.
 
Hey ****************************** bag. Get your own house in order. After 2 quarters of losses and dwindling cash, LUV isn't all its cracked up to be. Matter of fact, you're just like every other carrier out there.
Did you send in your application to Volaris yet? At least all that money wasted on that type won't go unused after your furlough, junior.


I know that you have a problem readng english so i will make it easy on you, SWA had a profit ex one time items, DELTA HAD A LOSS EVEN EXCLUDING ONE TIME ITEMS! now its time to go back to grade school, go on now and be a good little girl.


Dont worry, im sure you will be able to try again and get an interview here, I will help you!( ha ha NOT)
 
I know that you have a problem readng english so i will make it easy on you, SWA had a profit ex one time items, DELTA HAD A LOSS EVEN EXCLUDING ONE TIME ITEMS! now its time to go back to grade school, go on now and be a good little girl.


Dont worry, im sure you will be able to try again and get an interview here, I will help you!( ha ha NOT)
Sorry, I didn't have to buy my job to get hired more than 14 years ago. But I understand, living in mom and dad's trailer, times were tough, and all those "special favors;) " you did to to earn money and buy your job at Southwest. Now it looks when you get your furlough you can go apply to volaris. Comprende?:laugh:
 
Guys those payouts to the employees was in the form of stock for the merger. 75,000 employees got stock. That the 900 million.
91 million for fuel hedging related expenses, and a bucket load of merger related expenses.

These numbers suck. But it has been known for months that they would.
Q1 09 will be bad too, but with good reason. DAL is still forecasting a 1 billion dollar profit for 2009.
 
Hey, YOU responded as well. Delta lost money, no question about it. Keep watching the cash. Profits and losses come and go. Cash is where the key is.


Na ne na ne poo poo, i think your airline is worse than mine and makes me look better and feel better about myself, na ne na ne poo poo.

I stand by my original post.
 
Re: DAL lost 1.4 billion, Spin it general

DAL is still forecasting a 1 billion dollar profit for 2009.

But they'll say anything.

You better hope Obama is allowed to dump a train load of government money into this economy because if things get too tight, the first luxury people will give up is flying.

The Chinese are calling 2009 the year of the Ox. But as capacity declines, it may well turn out to be the year of the RJ.
 
" DAL is still forecasting a 1 billion dollar profit for 2009."

So am I.

I am also forecasting a 1 million dollar profit for myself for 2009....I'm just not sure how I am going to spend all that money. Of course, my forecast is predicated on me becoming employed again so, we'll just have to wait and see how that all works out.

In a related story, tomorrow's weather is supposed to be sunny according to today's forecast...


YKW
 
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But they'll say anything.

You better hope Obama is allowed to dump a train load of government money into this economy because if things get too tight, the first luxury people will give up is flying.

The Chinese are calling 2009 the year of the Ox. But as capacity declines, it may well turn out to be the year of the RJ.

Maybe so, but not at Comair
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

another regional troll more wannabeing on the majors
 
Na ne na ne poo poo, i think your airline is worse than mine and makes me look better and feel better about myself, na ne na ne poo poo.

I stand by my original post.



I agree. My post was in response to the apparent irony, in one poster's mind, in a loss combined with large pay cuts. My point was that much of the loss was in restoration of "pay"--driven completely and solely by the Delta pilots BTW. While we have indeed taken pay cuts, large ones, we have found ways of catching up--and in several cases exceeding--the compensation of our counterparts.

BTW, my airline is extremely well positioned to weather whatever comes our way, be it a downturn, a deep recession, a depression, or a bail out.

If Delta now goes away, everyone else is already gone, IMO. We will turn out the lights.

Nuff said.
;)
 
I have to agree 100% with what Puff stated. We at DAL are very well positioned to weather this.
That said, that does not mean that we will not shrink more or furlough. What it means is that this company will survive this economy storm we are now in.

Go to Delta.com and read the full report that was released this morning. There are some really good points in there.
One that I think that all pilots can put their minds around is this. DAL and NWA both had Passenger Unit Revenue (PRASM) above 100% this year. They were 101% and 103% respectively. That says a lot.
Also, we only saw a 1.7% decline in revenue year over year. Granted we saw an 8.4% decline in the domestic market, but we are not a domestic only player.

In all seriousness, go read it. It is 21 pages in length and is put in to terms that the lay man can understand. It will give you a fairly good perspective on where this company is and where it is going. I for one am glad I am here and no where else!
 
Sorry, I didn't have to buy my job to get hired more than 14 years ago. But I understand, living in mom and dad's trailer, times were tough, and all those "special favors;) " you did to to earn money and buy your job at Southwest. Now it looks when you get your furlough you can go apply to volaris. Comprende?:laugh:

I think Delta boys and SWA girls have the biggest egos on here. It's always my airline is better than yours......Get a life people.
 
I personally feel that you should be proud of who you work for. There is nothing wrong with that.
It ends up showing in the job you do day in and day out.
This holds true for any job.
 
These clowns took pay cuts for this....


For the recent quarter, the Atlanta carrier (DAL:
Last: 7.95-1.98-19.94%
said it lost $1.4 billion, or $2.11 a share, compared to a loss of $70 million, or 18 cents a share, in the year-ago period. Delta was hit by a $900 million non-cash charge related to employee equity awards in the most recent period, as well as a $91 million loss on out-of-period fuel hedges.

Wow, a $91 million loss, and the rest a non cash charge. Not bad in one of the worst quarters in history for even Southwest. Oil was still coming down from it's historic rise, we were hedged poorly (we thought they were good hedges compared to the July, 08 high of $140 a barrel), and the economy was starting to unravel. I would say that isn't too bad, but not great.

9Rj9,

How is UPS doing? Profitable for sure, but things in your arena aint great. You parked the last of your 742s (we are about to do the same), and a lot of your DC8s and some 757s are going to be parked on "standby", losing many runs. Not as many over age 60 guys flying for you will leave anytime soon thanks to the poor economy, and your friends at Fedex have threatened possible furloughs. (that can mirror what might happen to you) Enjoy it too. As a major US airline, I think we are positioned better than most to weather this storm. There is the spin for you.

Bye Bye---General Lee
 
General, it's $91 Million no fuel. Looks like about $500 mil operating loss.

Gup

I don't know where you are getting your info, but here is an article describing what occured:

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Delta Air Lines the world's largest airline, reported a quarterly loss on merger costs and fuel hedge losses.

The airline, which bought Northwest Airlines late last year, said on Tuesday that its fourth-quarter net loss widened to $1.4 billion, or $2.11 per share, from $70 million, or 18 cents per share, a year earlier, before the merger.


Special items included a more than $900 million charge related to broad-based employee equity awards, and a $91 million loss on out-of-period fuel hedges.
Excluding one-time items, the company said it had lost $340 million, or 50 cents per share.
Delta merged with Northwest to generate more efficient operations and savings to help offset its fuel bill. The industry was battered in 2008 by high energy costs and later by economic weakness that drained travel demand.
(Reporting by Kyle Peterson; Editing by Lisa Von Ahn)




Bye Bye--General Lee
 
So it was $340 million operating loss for 4Q 08.

I guess that is what it says.


Here is the same people who wrote that article finishing another article dealing with the loss:


Like rivals AMR Corp (AMR.N) and UAL Corp (UAUA.O), which reported losses last week, Delta complained of economic weakness that is eroding travel demand and forcing airlines to cut the number of seats for sale. But Chief Executive Richard Anderson was optimistic.
"Despite the difficult economic environment, we expect to be solidly profitable in 2009, driven by lower fuel costs, capacity discipline, and merger synergies," he said in a statement.
The airline industry was battered in 2008 by high fuel prices and later by economic weakness. Downsizing helped carriers bolster fares while travel budgets and demand shrank.
Delta had an advantage over its peers, however, as its merger with Northwest allowed it to make its operations more efficient.
Delta, which slashed its domestic capacity by 11 percent in the second half of 2008, said it would cut total mainline capacity by another 6 percent to 8 percent in 2009. The reduction will require the removal of 40 to 50 mainline aircraft from its fleet. (RJs or mainline planes? We know 13 742s will probably be parked, but have heard nothing other than RJs for the rest)

"They're definitely taking capacity down probably more than what people thought they would be doing," said Helane Becker, airline analyst at Jesup & Lamont Securities.
Airlines are braced for a particularly tough first quarter, she said, but the outlook improves later in the year.
"We think the second half of the year will be better," she said. "And I think that's the case for Delta."

RESULTS

Delta said its fourth-quarter net loss had widened to $1.4 billion, or $2.11 per share, from $70 million, or 18 cents per share, a year earlier, before the merger.
The results, however, feature one-time items, including a charge of more than $900 million related to broad-based employee equity awards, and a $91 million loss on out-of-period fuel hedges.
Top carriers have reported losses on these hedges as the price of jet fuel plummeted in the second half of 2008.

Excluding one-time items, the company said it had lost $340 million, or 50 cents per share. Although, fuel prices have fallen since July, Delta said its fourth-quarter fuel bill was 69 percent higher than it was a year earlier.

The company reported operating revenue of $6.7 billion, a 43 percent gain over the comparable period. Delta ended the quarter with $6.1 billion in liquidity.

Delta shares fell 4.3 percent to $9.50 in trading before the market opened. (Reporting by Kyle Peterson; Editing by Lisa Von Ahn)




Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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Someone just explain to me how Allegiant is doing so great?
 
Someone just explain to me how Allegiant is doing so great?

Here is a quote from another forum. Thought it was a good explanation:

Allegiant is an interesting case. They use cheap (capital cost) airplanes so they can afford to park the airplane a couple days a week when demand is weak. When they fly, they fly nearly full. When they can't fill the airplane, they don't fly. Slow season? Cut flights for a month or two until the demand picks up.

Other airlines have very high fixed costs on their newer airplanes so they have to keep them moving even when they can't fill them. They lose money but they lose less by flying them with lighter loads, and/or lower fares to fill the seats, than they would if they parked them.

 
. (RJs or mainline planes? We know 13 742s will probably be parked, but have heard nothing other than RJs for the rest)
Bye Bye--General Lee

I think it plainly states 40-50 MAINLINE aircraft. I would say the continued parking of 757/767's that are due heavy MX. I know of atleast 3 M88's that have been parked as I know the crew that flew the to Victorville, CA.
 

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