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EWR_FO

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Boeing better get their *hit together.

Delta Appears To Walk Away From Initial 787s



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Delta Air Lines appears to have renounced its position as the North American launch customer for Boeing's 787-8 widebody, according to the carrier's latest regulatory filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.
The Atlanta-based carrier, which inherited a firm order for 18 787-8s when it acquired Northwest Airlines in 2008, has dropped the firm orders from its latest annual report, which was filed late March 2.
Instead, the airline in a footnote noted the 18 aircraft have been excluded from its firm order obligations because "[t]he Boeing Company has informed us that Boeing will be unable to meet the contractual delivery schedule for these aircraft."
Delta, by nature of the Northwest order, was scheduled to take delivery of at least one of the first batch of 787s currently under construction at Boeing's Everett, Wash., facility.
That airframe originally was scheduled to enter service with Northwest at the end of 2008, but continued delays to Boeing's 787 manufacturing process have now pushed first flight for the -8 launch derivative to sometime before this year's Paris Air Show, which occurs mid-June.
Entry into service is now not expected until the first quarter of 2010 at the earliest.
Delta has been expected to revise, if not cancel, its 787 order since AviationWeek's Aviation Daily exclusively reported the carrier was favoring Boeing's 777 over the all-new widebody.
This expectation was heightened in December when the airline's Executive VP for Revenue Planning and Network Management during Delta's investor day conference said the airline's 777s could be the 747-400 replacement Northwest had intended when the Eagan, Minnesota-based carrier first ordered the 787s.
The first batch of 787-8s has also been troubled with weight issues that could limit deployment on the ultra-long-haul routes first intended by Northwest.
Delta, however, is adamant the decision to drop the 787 from its firm order plans is not a cancellation. "We have not cancelled our firm order of 18 787 aircraft," said a spokesman.
Both Delta and Boeing also noted they continue to "discuss the situation."
Delta has retained 18 787-8 option positions that were negotiated under Northwest's initial purchase. These start with six options in 2013, with the remaining 12 assigned to unspecified dates thereafter.
It is unclear what will happen to the first aircraft intended for Delta, although several sources indicated 787-8 launch customer All Nippon Airways is prepared to take the airframes as the Japanese carrier both requires the capacity and would be less restricted by weight issues as it intends to initially deploy the aircraft on domestic routes.
ANA was not available for comment.
Should Delta renounce the first batch of 787s this could make Continental Airlines the first North American operator of the composite aircraft.
 

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I hear Anderson never liked the 787 in terms of performance (he thought the A330 performed better) and he wants to focus on adding more 777s long term. Not sure about his exact details. I'm sure the DAL pilots out there would be happy to fly more 777s.
 

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I hear Anderson never liked the 787 in terms of performance (he thought the A330 performed better) and he wants to focus on adding more 777s long term. Not sure about his exact details. I'm sure the DAL pilots out there would be happy to fly more 777s.

So what you are saying is that RA is a socialist. :D
 

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Boeing has orders for that thing over the next 20 years. If Delta dumps their slots they will have to go to the end of the line. The advantage Boeing has with the 787 is the savings in fuel and maint. it is suppose to give the operator makes it a need to have plane if your competitors are running it.
Rumor now is flight test will start in May or June.
 

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Boeing has orders for that thing over the next 20 years. If Delta dumps their slots they will have to go to the end of the line. The advantage Boeing has with the 787 is the savings in fuel and maint. it is suppose to give the operator makes it a need to have plane if your competitors are running it.
Rumor now is flight test will start in May or June.

You don't know much about Delta.
 

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Boeing has orders for that thing over the next 20 years. If Delta dumps their slots they will have to go to the end of the line. The advantage Boeing has with the 787 is the savings in fuel and maint. it is suppose to give the operator makes it a need to have plane if your competitors are running it.
Rumor now is flight test will start in May or June.


Delta will cut a deal with Boeing, who likely needs the early slots to deliver to customers that want the airplane now. Look to see Delta cutting a deal to sell their early 787-8 deliveries for a combo of 787-9 slots down the road and more 777s.
 

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Delta will cut a deal with Boeing, who likely needs the early slots to deliver to customers that want the airplane now. Look to see Delta cutting a deal to sell their early 787-8 deliveries for a combo of 787-9 slots down the road and more 777s.

Yep and their may be a few other jets thrown in there for giggles.
 

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Yep and their may be a few other jets thrown in there for giggles.


You mean like MD90s and 717s???? What we need are some E190s...(although more 777s allow for more high paying positions and upgrades all around to larger planes)


Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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Well are you going to go on Friday Lee?
Getting this CPZ mess sorted out goes along way to getting some 190/195's
 

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Well are you going to go on Friday Lee?
Getting this CPZ mess sorted out goes along way to getting some 190/195's

I will try, but right now I have a trip. I'm working on it.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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