DAC FlexJet misses payroll

[Ludicrous Speed]

24 hours later and still no payroll for the FlexJet pilots. Has management given any explanation, excuse or apology?

Wasn't it last year they said "finances are so intermingled, we couldn't possibly separate operations." Things that make you go, hmm.

 

[doh]

They fired Macek and Regan for one single instance of "violating our core value of respect for one another". No second chance. So isn't this a violation of our core value of "paying fanatical attention to detail"? And since management have set the standard at no second chance, shouldn't there be terminations for violating our core value in this instance as well? At least they are consistently inconsistent!

 

[Dirty Squirrel]

This was an ADP thing. Humans do make mistakes. The offered a reason and an apology. ******************** happens....

 

[doh]

It was not an ADP thing. The original problem is HR. They didn't correctly calculate our pay, so they had to go back and fix their errors. If they put as much effort into correctly paying us as they put into fighting the union, this would not have happened. And if they had acknowledged that human beings make mistakes with Macek and Regan, I wouldn't be calling them out now. But they demanded instant execution for those two, so why are they not doing the same thing now? Double standard.

 

[warlord19]

Dirty Squirrel, if you haven't figured it out by now, Duhh isn't particularly bright.
WL

 

[Dirty Squirrel]

It was not an ADP thing. The original problem is HR. They didn't correctly calculate our pay, so they had to go back and fix their errors. If they put as much effort into correctly paying us as they put into fighting the union, this would not have happened. And if they had acknowledged that human beings make mistakes with Macek and Regan, I wouldn't be calling them out now. But they demanded instant execution for those two, so why are they not doing the same thing now? Double standard.

I hear you, but one person in HR probably had nothing to do with the fight against the union or did they fire SM and KR.

 

[doh]

I hear you, but one person in HR probably had nothing to do with the fight against the union or did they fire SM and KR.

Agreed, but I am referring to the standard management set when they fired M and R. M and R were fired for a first offense. So one mistake should now be the standard IF management really believe they were right. So why haven't they applied that standard this time? Because they know they were wrong! And warlord is now back from his butthurt cry fest. Welcome back, loser.

 

[Dooker]

Changed my mind. Nothing to add. Sorry.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Dirty Squirrel, if you haven't figured it out by now, Duhh isn't particularly bright.
WL

Ok. I'm stumped at this response. What does this have to do with the paychecks not being deposited? WL, are you trying to impress everyone with your intellectual superiority again?

 

[Imissmypilot]

And warlord is now back from his butthurt cry fest. Welcome back, loser.

Interesting how both he and Handschuch re-emerge from their self imposed cocoons at the same time, eh?

Bet Warlord had some tornado damage to attend to as well. Coincidence?

However, regarding payroll I'm in the ******************** happens camp as long as the aftermath is made right. Not that I will forget it, but I'm not particularly upset. If you are month to month at our level of pay then you've got bigger problems than we can address on Flight Info.

I did have to move some money around to cover bills and I would have appreciated a more direct approach from the company so this could have been done sooner. I barely made the processing deadline to do this otherwise I might have bounced a few items. The company should have individually called each pilot to alert them.

fwiw I believe EG was actively involved in anti-union matters.

This is really not a union or no union issue but I will say every time the company ********************s up, it gives the union people the opportunity to shine. When your whole business philosophy is built on concepts you can't deliver on (fanatical attention to detail, people come first yada yada yada) I expect more opportunities will present themselves. The union doesn't have to even address it. Let them company continue to ******************** up, sit back and enjoy the crow picnic your detractors will be forced to eat.

I hope the union people can capitalize on the PR trend of DAC bad decision after bad decision and make some forward progress announcements regarding the issues that are holding us all up, whatever the hell they are.

Suck it up Warlordy. You chose poorly. It's a darn shame what you did to yourself but the truth is you have no one to blame but yourself.

 

[warlord19]

the Dirty Squirrel spoke the truth…this payroll mess seems to be a simple ADP/personnel thing. The fact that Duhh has to elevate it(and everything else) to a US vs. Them position is tiring, but I guess that’s how he’s built. That chip on his shoulder must get awful tiring to carry around after a while, though.

Cooler heads like 993 have called for a coming together of the pilot group to try and start making progress on a contract, but continued posts by my arrow-headed friend Duhh just ain’t gonna make that happen.
WL

 

[doh]

This has nothing to do with the pilot group coming together. This is about a management team that demands a standard from the pilots that they themselves can't deliver. Warlord can't deflect from that.

 

[japhy]

I think DAC should fire ADP and a few people in HR. It seems we have a payroll problem every other month.

 

[el raton]

I wonder if this will affect HR's bonus?

 

[993_Pilot]

...Cooler heads like 993 have called for a coming together of the pilot group to try and start making progress on a contract, but continued posts by my arrow-headed friend Duhh just ain?t gonna make that happen.
WL

Come on, even I get what Doh is saying, and he makes a very valid point... Justice is not applied equally under DAC, much like their favors, and that is a big part of the reason why we have a union. I know that solidarity will take some time, but I am confident that we'll get there. You are welcome to join us too, WL.

 

[shanes123]

KR is probably over extended again with those shiny G450. wouldn't be the first time. and ADP is a perfect scapegoat they have never admitted fault on anything. Core values only apply to the pilots. Thats in the small print

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Why hire competent people when someone else will do the job for less? This has been the Ricci way for years, but the Options pilots have been trying to change that for 8 years now.

 

[CL300Pilot]

I will say that EG took full responsibility. After speaking with him in length, I for one believe it was actually ADP's fault for not delivering on their promise. The company has stepped up and taken care of anyone who might have bounced checks or whatever. They are also giving out personal letters for creditors if needed. I am in the things happen camp but it cannot happen again. If it does, then yes, heads need to roll.

 

[el raton]

I will say that EG took full responsibility. After speaking with him in length, I for one believe it was actually ADP's fault for not delivering on their promise. The company has stepped up and taken care of anyone who might have bounced checks or whatever. They are also giving out personal letters for creditors if needed. I am in the things happen camp but it cannot happen again. If it does, then yes, heads need to roll.

I agree, well said.