current job possiblities

[dmc]

Hey guys I have a quick question. My employer that I work for now is buying a single engine plane and wants me to fly it. I don't have my comm single, only multi. The plans are for me to continue my desk job and then fly when it is needed. Basically I was wondering how people would look at this, say at a future interview with an airline.

 

[LAXSaabdude]

Well, if you don't have a Comm ASEL, this is technically a violation. You have only your private ASEL (right?), and thus you are only allowed to share expenses with your passengers. So technically you should be paying part of the cost of flying the airplane.

LAXSaabdude.

 

[Flywrite]

I would imagine that your employer will be unable to insure you in the airplane without a Commercial ASEL anyway. Just tell him that you need the checkride to fly the plane for him and he may even pick up the tab. Adding an ASEL rating to your Commercial is going to be a piece of cake anyway so I wouldnt sweat it if I were you.

Good Luck

 

[bobbysamd]

Quasi-corporate flying

A lot would depend on whether your flying is incidental to your work. However, if the boss is buying the airplane and wants you to fly it, it may not be as incidental as it may appear. Therefore, if this is something you want to do, you really need to obtain your Commercial Single add-on.

Next thing would be is to ensure that you are well insured. The boss should foot the bill for insurance. In a perfect world, he/she should also buy you loss of license insurance.

Finally, I would say that the airlines should like the experience just fine. It would almost be like a corporate flying job. As long as you are flying and are getting paid for it, any time is valuable. You should negotiate with your boss extra pay for your flight time. The opportunity is fine, but you do not want to be taken advantage of, either.

Good luck with your plans.

 

[WrightAvia]

Hey guys I have a quick question. My employer that I work for now is buying a single engine plane and wants me to fly it. I don't have my comm single, only multi. The plans are for me to continue my desk job and then fly when it is needed. Basically I was wondering how people would look at this, say at a future interview with an airline.

As long as he as paying you to be just an employee, you should be able to fly the company sled. If you got a question about this, you should be contacting FSDO. Otherwise, you'll never get a satisfactory answer to your question on this board.

 

[Flywrite]

I don't see the gray area here...Like SaabDude said, unless he is sharing the expense of operating the aircraft he is receiving compensation for the flight, and therefore needs the commercial certificate with appropriate rating. This is the way the feds have looked at things for quite some time.

To answer the original question, go into an airline interview with a resume and/or application showing that you were a pilot for company XYZ at a time when you did not have an appropriate rating on your Commercial, and eyebrows will raise. Get caught by the feds doing it and you may not have to worry about getting to the airline interview.

I mean, jeez, we're only taking about a SE add on here, whats the problem with just getting the rating? Its actually a pretty fun one to do-very little book work, lots of fun maneuvers.

As the shoe people say; Just Do It

 

[WrightAvia]

The question wasn't whether or not the rating was easy to get. The question was whether or not a person working inside the company, could fly a company plane for business with a private, while acting as an employee. It's legal.

As for the airlines, who gives a rats ass. I got interviewed and accepted at a good regional and I flew coworkers around in my own turbocharged twin engine cessna for 270 hours of really cool multi time. Got re-embursed and was PAID as an employee while DOING IT. Could have done all that with a private...as I was on company time and the transportation was incidental to getting to the work, just like you're going to tell me a guy needs a chauffer's license to drive a rental car from point a to point b while on company time with company employees/coworkers in the car.

 

[Flywrite]

RTFQ

He said he would be doing his desk job, then going to fly WHEN IT WAS NEEDED. That means that the flying will not be interpreted as being incidental to the job. There is a specific need for him to fly. This makes the operation illegal for a Private Pilot according to FAR 61.113.

The only good advice you have given is to consult a FSDO.

 

[Pilotadjuster]

private vs comm

I'd agree with Flywrite - unless there is a legitimate business purpose for him taking the flight - ie, he has to be at the other end just as much as his passenger - then it is a commercial operation.

Anyway, as was said, the commercial single checkride should be a piece of cake for a comm-multi pilot.

 

[dmc]

current job possibilities

Thanks for the replies and info. The flying would be incidental because I would have to be at meetings at the other end of the flight. I just didn't know if I would get grilled at an airline interview down the road if decide to take that route someday.

 

[avbug]

just like you're going to tell me a guy needs a chauffer's license to drive a rental car from point a to point b while on company time with company employees/coworkers in the car.

Wrong attitude. Don't compare anything you do in the car to what you do in an airplane. Certainly not to enforcement action.

The safest bet has already been covered, and that's obtaining commercial privileges for the category and class involved; SEL.

Weather you need to be at the meeting or not is only part of the issue. Weather you are carrying passengers or not is. If you carry only company personnel and you are not employed to fly, but to go to the meeting, and it is not your airplane, then you are getting into safer waters.

If you carry a non-company individual, or material for hire (ie, even if you don't accept monetary pay or other compensation, if the company accepts any compensation for the carriage of other than company personnel or equipment), and the trip is made for those purposes while you operate with only private privileges or commercial privileges, you are in a world of hurt; you've just crossed into Part 135 country.

 

[Pilotadjuster]

safer

Better safe than sorry; it may be ok now, but how about the first time the boss says he's bringing a customer along "for the ride", or he just wants you to fly him to a meeting you don't have to go to? How many times have people shown up for a flight with "just another person" and not told you ahead of time?

avbug's right (do I have to point that out with him?) - get the SEL rating and remove any question about the whole operation.