Culpae poena par esto

[Jetz]

Yea run from the fight? I have a few buds who did that during the fight at flops and now regret it.

My advice, for what it worth on this annomonous message board, if you get a good opportunity take it. Otherwise stay and fight. Hard.

Ya they work what 8 and 6 and get paid what 70 grand as a senior captain?

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

hoarders

“…Obama drive us over the cliff…”

Well. Um, uhh, I believe you’re thinking small.

I meet pilots every day who believe $100k or $125k per year is a lot of money. 25 years ago, these amounts might have been at the top of many pay scales. But now, comparing the value of the dollar, you’d have to make twice! these amounts, to get the same buying power as you did then.

http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

So you’re flying a late model Gulfstream… I hear the cost for a six month currency for Gulfstream pilots is now significantly north of $80k…

And on that Gulfstream…The boss wants to go to the middle east for a week. Tanker up that 6000 gallon tank (@ $5 per gallon) and you’ve spent $30k without ever even starting the engines. Flight planning, over-flight fees, handling fees, foreign airport taxes, deice, mx, hangars, hotels, ground transportations, hourly operational reserve, personnel, security maybe for the boss and the airplane… That little week long excursion (there and back) is gonna set him back $75k, easily…

And yet you cling to the idea that a $100 landing fee is gonna bankrupt these people. What about a $500 landing fee?

I dislike taxes and inventing new ways to collect taxes and calling taxes other names: fees, tolls, etc. But you’re making a huge mistake if you think the people in the back do not have gobs and gobs of money. They’re hoarders, where there’s no such thing as too much money… I hate to break it to you, but your salary is a pittance to them!

Worship them because they have money? No. I’m only paid to fly an airplane. I don’t volunteer my time and resources helping the rich get richer…

 

[OHGOON]

Worship them because they have money? No. I’m only paid to fly an airplane. I don’t volunteer my time and resources helping the rich get richer…

Problem is that many pilots don't see it that way. They are so wrapped up in being grateful for the opportunity. It's like slavery on a plantation was possible only because some were given supervisory power which they then became so enamored by, they helped a minority control and subjugate the majority.

 

[pilotyip]

Problem is that many pilots don't see it that way. They are so wrapped up in being grateful for the opportunity. It's like slavery on a plantation was possible only because some were given supervisory power which they then became so enamored by, they helped a minority control and subjugate the majority.

Amassing people earning in the upper 5% of all income earners in the US doing something that does not even require college degree and it is not good enough for some.

Anyone with a certain level of skill and desire can fly an airplane, it is not rocket science, and if you fly because you like to, there is no better job.

 

[OHGOON]

YIP,

first off, how are you? everything well with you? Just making sure that I'm polite enough before I take issue with what you are posting...(I was made aware of how sensitive you tough guys really are on another thread recently...)

How much educational pedigree a certain profession requires is not a measure of any individuals economic worth.

A most radical example is LeBron James, he never went to College either. Does that make him less valuable in the NBA'a eyes??

OH and btw, not getting rewarded properly for my experience and education that I bring to the table (cockpit) while not new, is still not acceptable no matter how blindingly the aluminum is polished...or how myopic my coworkers are about what is acceptable...

 

[gret]

YIP,

first off, how are you? everything well with you? Just making sure that I'm polite enough before I take issue with what you are posting...(I was made aware of how sensitive you tough guys really are on another thread recently...)

How much educational pedigree a certain profession requires is not a measure of any individuals economic worth.

A most radical example is LeBron James, he never went to College either. Does that make him less valuable in the NBA'a eyes??

OH and btw, not getting rewarded properly for my experience and education that I bring to the table (cockpit) while not new, is still not acceptable no matter how blindingly the aluminum is polished...or how myopic my coworkers are about what is acceptable...

Outstanding!

 

[pilotyip]

YIP,
How much educational pedigree a certain profession requires is not a measure of any individuals economic worth.

Thank you for your kind and sensitive words, they are a welcome addition on a site where name calling and trashing have become a form of art.

But you and I agree 100% on this. It is as I have posted for going on 10 years, educational pedigree does not determine who you are, it is what you can offer an employer who rewards you with an income. I look forward to a never rending stream of kind and sensitive posts from you in the future.

 

[G4dude]

YIP,

first off, how are you? everything well with you? Just making sure that I'm polite enough before I take issue with what you are posting...(I was made aware of how sensitive you tough guys really are on another thread recently...)

How much educational pedigree a certain profession requires is not a measure of any individuals economic worth.

A most radical example is LeBron James, he never went to College either. Does that make him less valuable in the NBA'a eyes??

OH and btw, not getting rewarded properly for my experience and education that I bring to the table (cockpit) while not new, is still not acceptable no matter how blindingly the aluminum is polished...or how myopic my coworkers are about what is acceptable...

You are my new hero, posting with such kindness and consideration! Actually, it is MUCH appreciated, Ohgoon.

 

[Praetorian]

Ya they work what 8 and 6 and get paid what 70 grand as a senior captain?

Nope, we actually have 3 schedule types. 7/7, 8/7 and a flex. All are bid and awarded based on seniority.

Also you are off by between 30 and 50 on the wages, depending on your definition of a "senior captain". We just got a 3% raise and expect to get another 3% next year.

Still under compensated, but heading in the right direction.

 

[hammer2]

You are my new hero, posting with such kindness and consideration! Actually, it is MUCH appreciated, Ohgoon.

Don't let him fool ya, he's an a$$ hole....but there's no law in occasionally agreeing with an a$$wipe such as Ohgoon.

 

[OHGOON]

Don't let him fool ya, he's an a$$ hole....but there's no law in occasionally agreeing with an a$$wipe such as Ohgoon.

Well now, thank you for showing me the same courtesy...really appreciate the kind words here. Gret will be so pleased.

 

[gret]

Well now, thank you for showing me the same courtesy...really appreciate the kind words here. Gret will be so pleased.

It was a shot...but I thought he was a friend of yours and was meant to be kidding among friends.

If this is not the case, one should probably rip him a new one.

 

[hammer2]

It was a shot...but I thought he was a friend of yours and was meant to be kidding among friends.

If this is not the case, one should probably rip him a new one.

Check out how kind he is in the Non-Av section.

If someone wants to rip me a new one, go ahead...still doesn't change the fact that Ohgoon's a pompous a$$.

 

[OHGOON]

It was a shot...but I thought he was a friend of yours and was meant to be kidding among friends.

If this is not the case, one should probably rip him a new one.

No worries,

hammer usually takes care of ripping himself a new one all by himself...:laugh:

 

[hammer2]

No worries,

hammer usually takes care of ripping himself a new one all by himself...:laugh:

I have to agree. :0

 

[ksu_aviator]

As far as the business model goes, it probably plays a part in the demise of companies with a smaller market share. There is a lot of uncompensated flying that is difficult to cover if you don't have some major funding to hold you over. I have no doubt that Citation Shares, Netjets, Avantair and FlexJet can normally survive a short term economic down turn. But this prolonged difficult stretch has put all four companies in a bad spot. Some worse than others. They'll all recover (if they are still around) when the economy finally picks up again, but I'm betting they'll make some changes to guard against another prolonged difficult economy.

 

[The Dude Abides]

As far as the business model goes, it probably plays a part in the demise of companies with a smaller market share. There is a lot of uncompensated flying that is difficult to cover if you don't have some major funding to hold you over. I have no doubt that Citation Shares, Netjets, Avantair and FlexJet can normally survive a short term economic down turn. But this prolonged difficult stretch has put all four companies in a bad spot. Some worse than others. They'll all recover (if they are still around) when the economy finally picks up again, but I'm betting they'll make some changes to guard against another prolonged difficult economy.

As far as CitationAir Where You Belong is concerned, this is most definitely NOT economy based.

 

[gulfstreameric]

what happened to 5 and 2 ?
Oooo yeah
thats called a normal work week
but not for the prima donnas in the sky

..........

 

[XTW]

what happened to 5 and 2 ?
Oooo yeah
thats called a normal work week
but not for the prima donnas in the sky

..........

Sure, at 8 hours a day and being home every night.

Apples and oranges.

You know nothing of which you speak, obviously.

X

 

[gulfstreameric]

Sure, at 8 hours a day and being home every night.

Apples and oranges.

You know nothing of which you speak, obviously.

X

You girls dont really work, come join us for a change.
2 months on,28 days off and sometimes less.
That's work, and you know it, so keep that paycheck going before
one of your own will eat you and your young for less money.
Good luck in 2013