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[OHGOON]

Hate to break it to you Vinny but you might have named this thread shaeden freude.

Nobody really cares about the plight of grossly overpaid pilots who cannot get more water out of the stone. You are overpaid at 7 and 7 according to NBAA norms and you are still overpaid at 8 and 6. Sorry but the facts are the facts.

So sorry to hear of your troubles but - thats life Vinny.

This is just a sad testament to how we are willing to devalue ourselves all by our lonesome;

Tell me Mr Turbinehead. How exactly do you figure that CA pilots are "grossly overpaid"? Who is the NBAA really and why do what they publish determine the worth of a pilot? Do you just feel this way because you never made a descent pay scale before and therefore now justify that in your own mind by making such outrageous claims against other pilots who happened to be luckier than you?

Sad...

 

[G4dude]

So here is what this steaming pile had to say on 2/9/12:

"I would cross because I care about my job and the jobs of my fellow pilots, and would fear a (hypothetical) strike would put our company out of business or severely downsize it, hurting me and my colleagues."

This guy is a coward a turncoat and a liar. The fact that he, once again, openly admits that he would laugh if the faces of his fellow pilots, on one of their worst days, tells us all we need to know about his character.

It's clear the NJ guys know who this creature is (Current Gulfstream pilot, former AA pilot). Why not share his identity??

Wow! Maybe my favorite post of all time. Why am I a liar? What do you think I would laugh in the faces of my fellow pilots? Excellent post, Praetorian.

 

[G4dude]

Saying the fraction model is broken when there is some contraction and furloughing is like saying the airline model is broken when the airlines furlough. It's just stupid.

Yip is definitely NOT stupid. he might be wrong on this issue, however. Or he might be right. I think he is wrong, and I usually agree with him. Sorry, Yip.

 

[G4dude]

Hate to break it to you Vinny but you might have named this thread shaeden freude.

Nobody really cares about the plight of grossly overpaid pilots who cannot get more water out of the stone. You are overpaid at 7 and 7 according to NBAA norms and you are still overpaid at 8 and 6. Sorry but the facts are the facts.

So sorry to hear of your troubles but - thats life Vinny.

I promise, I did NOT write this post!!!!!!!! It wasn't me! Nope. No way.

 

[Jetz]

Hate to break it to you Vinny but you might have named this thread shaeden freude.

Nobody really cares about the plight of grossly overpaid pilots who cannot get more water out of the stone. You are overpaid at 7 and 7 according to NBAA norms and you are still overpaid at 8 and 6. Sorry but the facts are the facts.

So sorry to hear of your troubles but - thats life Vinny.

Uber Dich? or is it Uber dooshbag?

 

[gunfyter]

we haven't seen Turbinehead around these parts since he was wrong about everything he said before NJA 2005 CBA ....

 

[Pervis]

Funny how some think we're overpaid in what we do yet don't have any trouble with 7 figures for some knucklehead to come up with ideas like "food tools".

 

[Praetorian]

Hate to break it to you Vinny but you might have named this thread shaeden freude.

Nobody really cares about the plight of grossly overpaid pilots who cannot get more water out of the stone. You are overpaid at 7 and 7 according to NBAA norms and you are still overpaid at 8 and 6. Sorry but the facts are the facts.

So sorry to hear of your troubles but - thats life Vinny.

Yea and we could title your post, "hubris".

 

[gunfyter]

Funny how some think we're overpaid in what we do yet don't have any trouble with 7 figures for some knucklehead to come up with ideas like "food tools".

"Help Jane! ... STOP THIS CRAZY THING!"

--George Jetson--

 

[ultrarunner]

Isn't the company bound by 'status quo' as is the employee group during the negotiating period? A change in the schedule would seem to be in conflict of that.

 

[Praetorian]

Isn't the company bound by 'status quo' as is the employee group during the negotiating period? A change in the schedule would seem to be in conflict of that.

Sadly no. Status quo doesn't apply until a CBA is in place. So it will apply for the CA pilots second contract.

In the opinion of many, it's one of the glaring flaws in the RLA.

 

[The Dude Abides]

Sadly no. Status quo doesn't apply until a CBA is in place. So it will apply for the CA pilots second contract.

So . . . you mean to say that the company can do whatever it wants whenever it wants and the pilots have to kiss Phildo's sac and thank him? (at least that's what Captain G4Dude would have you do) Wonder what would have happened if the freeloader dudes would have supported from the beginning. We may have had a contract by now. Thanks "fencesitters". Nuttin' like going from five-star to yellow-tie to scumbag charter.

 

[Sparse]

So . . . you mean to say that the company can do whatever it wants whenever it wants and the pilots have to kiss Phildo's sac and thank him? (at least that's what Captain G4Dude would have you do) Wonder what would have happened if the freeloader dudes would have supported from the beginning. We may have had a contract by now. Thanks "fencesitters". Nuttin' like going from five-star to yellow-tie to scumbag charter.

They can and will do whatever they want including shutting the company down which it appears is what they are doing. Having 100% migs would have no effect. They have a free reign. The only thing that can be done is a fly safe operation which is hard to do and in my opinion would only speed up the process they are into, shutting it down.

 

[The Dude Abides]

They can and will do whatever they want including shutting the company down which it appears is what they are doing. Having 100% migs would have no effect. They have a free reign. The only thing that can be done is a fly safe operation which is hard to do and in my opinion would only speed up the process they are into, shutting it down.

So we should carry broken items so that it's more convenient?

 

[brokeflyer]

i think a union should hold the threat of shut down over a company. it sends a good message to stop being greedy and re-invest all your wealth back into the company, and that is how you insure long term survival. there are no bad companies, only bad management.

management needs to learn.

 

[OHGOON]

So we should carry broken items so that it's more convenient?

Well yes, duh...

Haven't you read G4's concerns about pilots loosing their jobs unless we help management continue to endanger ourselves and our customers. We need to assist incompetence by quietly cooperating in the quest to squeeze ever more out of us. Only when we've become the bottom feeder that we always knew we could be, will we have achieved our true purpose; reducing competition so his own job is more secure...

 

[G4dude]

Well yes, duh...

Haven't you read G4's concerns about pilots loosing their jobs unless we help management continue to endanger ourselves and our customers. We need to assist incompetence by quietly cooperating in the quest to squeeze ever more out of us. Only when we've become the bottom feeder that we always knew we could be, will we have achieved our true purpose; reducing competition so his own job is more secure...

Not quite following the logic here. For you to keep your job, the company has to make a profit acceptable to the investors. Where in the world did I say you should endanger the customers and yourselves? I am just saying you might want to be careful how much pressure you put on your employer given how soft the economy is right now A fairly good job is a lot better than no job, it seems to me. If the union takes a hard line, the resulting shutdown will benefit my company, so go ahead, stir up the rabble. I will wave as I drive by the unemployment line, amazed at the seemingly intelligent pilots who caused their own unemployment. They won't even have Hostess Twinkies to snack on as they wait in line, because the unions shut down that company too.

 

[G4dude]

So we should carry broken items so that it's more convenient?

Yes, it's called an MEL.

 

[Smooth Cruz]

CA is shutting down? management is all to blame, the pilots lived up to their end of the bargain, union or not. CA was seemingly a good company for a long while, turns out it was not. A lot of credit goes to the pilots who tried to fix their end of things while managements "best in the industry mantra" was costing them 40 million a year and and costing jobs.

 

[G4dude]

CA is shutting down? management is all to blame, the pilots lived up to their end of the bargain, union or not. CA was seemingly a good company for a long while, turns out it was not. A lot of credit goes to the pilots who tried to fix their end of things while managements "best in the industry mantra" was costing them 40 million a year and and costing jobs.

You may be right, but unionizing a failing company seems like a BAD idea.