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The relative of mine I've mentioned is working on reopening a school in Dawson, GA. The name starts with the word International. That's all I remember about it. Supposedly it's going to start up in fall this year after the spraying season ends. They want to stay small and plan to train pilots from zero time. He said there may be opportunities for me to instruct there. Just one more reason I should pursue banner towing right now. There's a guy in Norther New Jersey that wants me to come up there and train to tow banners for him in a souped up Citabria for $1500. All the other banner jobs/training have fallen through so that's my only option left. He said I'd only log 200 hours during the summer. I can't make up my mind!!
 
Sam Riggs left the country about ten years ago...last I heard, he and his school was in Belieze...doing the same thing he always did. And apparently still not lacking for students willing to go all the way down there to get fleeced.

Ag schools pop up every year, and last a couple of years before going under. Many claim to have been around for eons, claim that they can get you hired...claim the moon. Usually a two place ag aircraft, and for a few thousand, will give you some valueable "turbine time." Tell you it's sure to get you hired.

It's not.

Ag work is great work; it's truly flying...but be careful of getting roped into the "dream" that it's something you can walk into after a short school. It's not. Most jobs are not entry level positions.

As for "training" to tow banners. It's not rocket science, either...in fact, it's sleeper type work. You pick up the banner, you tow it around at slow speeds, drop it, go get another. Don't get roped into paying someone to "train" you or "certify" you to fly banners. It's a ripoff. Much like many of the ag schools.

Be careful about promises regarding teaching at the ag school, too. If it's difficult to get into flying ag...what kind of experience do you suppose is appropriate to teach people to fly ag? If you survive your first thousand or two hours of ag, then consider looking into teaching it...but that's still entry level experience. Look at it this way; do you want to be taught to fly ag by someone with no experience? Take that question seriously, as though your life depends on it, because it really does.

Typically your first few years doing ag are spent loading and learning the business, eventually flying rinsate and big open fields, and eventually doing jobs on your own...but not really something you take 20 hours of training to do, and then go to work making six figures. Or anything remotely close to it. Not telling you not to pursue your dreams, but be careful doing it, and spending your hard earned cash for promises that traditionally don't add up.
 
Very well said, Avbug. Yup, ol' Sammy boy left the country and is in Belize now... still screwing anyone dumb enough to come down there. I made the mistake of going through his program back in '90. Pretty much a sham of an operation. Luckily I had a couple of friends in the business that set me straight, let me work for them on the ground a couple of seasons to learn the basics and get some Ag Cat time under my belt, and helped me get into my first entry level seat. He talks a good game about all he claims to have accomplished as an ag pilot, a military officer, etc. Mostly BS from one of the biggest a$$holes I have ever met in my life.
 
you guys rock, ag flying is true flying,more power to all of you ! Godspeed !
 
The instructing opportunity I was speaking of would only be for the ab-initio guys to get their private or commercial. Most likely all in taildraggers. That's where the banner towing (TW experience) comes into play.

To tell you the truth, I'm not going that route. I'd rather not relocate to south Georgia. I need a stable career with benefits. It's just that I have some family that does it so I thought I'd look into it.

All the info you folks have supplied is great. Thanks.
 
Ag airplanes do.

Tracks. Skips. Cuts. Gouges. Scars.

And big gaping holes where power lines used to be.
 
avbug said:
Ag airplanes do.

Tracks. Skips. Cuts. Gouges. Scars.

And big gaping holes where power lines used to be.

Hey, have not seen you arround much AV Bug? Where you been!!!!
 
And big gaping holes where friends used to be too.
 
Hi guys, I am new to this web site. Does anyone know of anybody who has a pawnee who is willing to train or let me build some sort of ag time in?
 
Crop dusting is a great career alternative for people who won't make it to the airlines and don't have a CFI. You just need a big toothpick to get the bugs out of your teeth at the end of the day.

All cropdusters should form a union under ALPA for better wages and work rules. Otherwise, greedy farmers will require you to work at night.
 
EMB Skillz said:
Crop dusting is a great career alternative for people who won't make it to the airlines and don't have a CFI. You just need a big toothpick to get the bugs out of your teeth at the end of the day.

All cropdusters should form a union under ALPA for better wages and work rules. Otherwise, greedy farmers will require you to work at night.

I don't suppose it's occured to you that with friends like you making statements like this, ALPA doesn't need any enemies! What a public relations nightmare. You and D'angelo appear to be working toward the same end. Just something you might consider in case you aren't a union buster in disguise. Just what ag pilots need, commuter wages and work rules! I'll bet that those ag guys could really benefit from your vast experience and knowledge of ag operations since they'll never make it to your lofty position as an RJ driver. 410 it baby! 4.1 feet above the field that is.

Have a nice day!
 
EMB Skillz said:
Crop dusting is a great career alternative for people who won't make it to the airlines and don't have a CFI. You just need a big toothpick to get the bugs out of your teeth at the end of the day.

All cropdusters should form a union under ALPA for better wages and work rules. Otherwise, greedy farmers will require you to work at night.

Career alternative?? For guys that "wont make it" to the airlines? Bubba, you seriously need to get a clue before you shoot your mouth off. I hate to burst your little shiny jet bubble, but there are those of us who dont want to fly for an airline. Let me put it to you in a different way... I actually like to FLY for a living, not troll the friendly skies in a bus. Dont even act like you are talking down to ag pilots because they dont fly for an airline, because you are talking to aviators who have piloting skills you only dream about while you are reading a book in your RJ cockpit, and fiddling with the buttoms on your FMS (yeah, there's some REAL flying for you). Ag pilots, aerial patrol pilots, tanker pilots, these are some of the LAST areas of aviation that still require a pilot to have some skills and actually fly the aircraft instead of being a systems monitor. You airline guys are more computer techs than you are pilots. Being an ag pilot is not a "career alternative" as you so broadly put it. It IS a career in itself, and it's a career that few pilots have the skill or the balls to handle. I may never see FL 410 in a shiny bird, but do I care?? HELL no I dont. I get to actually fly every day, and the best part is... I bet make more money than you! By the way, some ag pilots ALREADY fly at night!! Nightime spraying is and has been done in California and several other states for years. It's done so that the bee populations are not harmed, among other reasons. Do us a favor and get over yourself, because not everyone wants to drive a jet.
 
Crop dusting is a great career alternative for people who won't make it to the airlines and don't have a CFI. You just need a big toothpick to get the bugs out of your teeth at the end of the day.

All cropdusters should form a union under ALPA for better wages and work rules. Otherwise, greedy farmers will require you to work at night.

While that quote was most likely uneducated flame bait, it was also one of the least intelligent things to ever be posted here. Good job.

I won't bother making airline and ag comparisons, because there really isn't any, nor need there be. Suffice it to say that ag aviation is no entry level career track...really more of a way of life based on the commitment necessary...and hardly a fallback for folks who won't make it to entry-level areas of the industry.

Night flying is a specialty that requires more than a fair amount of skill; it pays accordingly. It's an operational requirement in some areas and for certain types of application.

I've had bird guts down my collar in flight, but never bugs in my teeth. Open cockpit spraying is history that's not often fondly remembered by those who've seen a sulfur fire chasing their airplane in flight, or those that got a mormon cricket stuck in their mouth at an inopportune time...or those who've had to choke back dust or spray. They say you can tell a happy motorcyclist by the bugs in his teeth, but I can't say the same about an ag pilot. You can tell a happy ag pilot because he's eating. And working. And his family is eating when he's working.

Union? If it weren't so ignorant, it might be funny.

Hi guys, I am new to this web site. Does anyone know of anybody who has a pawnee who is willing to train or let me build some sort of ag time in?

If you're planning on training yourself, here's a shortcut. Skip the airplane; go cut down a powerline, wrap it around your neck, stand on top of the powerline, and jump. Save time, cut to the chase.

How are you going to borrow an ag airplane and "build" ag time?

If you want to get trained, keep driving across the country, ask every ag operator you meet for an opportunity to load and mix chemical, and the chance to eventually work into a flying position. Plan on several years of doing this, and be sure you arrive with mechanical skills and your own tools, a good working knowledge of farms, tractors, crops, insects, chemicals, aircraft, conventional gear and low level operations. Have some good conventional gear experience under your belt. Prepare to have lean winters, and to switch jobs seasonally. Be prepared to move to find work, to be gone as necessary, to live in rural areas, and to change your life.
 
Nice post avbug. The Skillz guy is a pathological flamebaiter and it sucks that he tainted this thread. Most likely when I found out he's been banned before and assumes different screen names with schizo personas he decided to come after a thread I started. Some of the freudian slips in his many posts reveal a very unstable and frail individual. Kid needs help.
 
Just think though if you joined ALPO you could make cool posters that look like "the fly" and make some cool slogans to chant. Maybe your motto could be "ALPO: Swatting great companies like flies, one outlandish contract at a time." Just remember your crayons and printer cartridges. Duane promises it will be the best 2% youve ever spent. If everyone says you need a union it must be true right?
 
Guys especially agpilot34,don't let EMB skillz get to you,he is a notorious flamer from the airline side,who should be banned from the site. read a few threads where he has posted to see what I mean. by the way I love flying my 727, the same way you love your ag ships. its ALL good. cheers,and Godspeed.
 
Sorry guys. Wish I knew how to hang in there with this ALPA issue. I know nothing about it.

Sucks that it ended up in a crop dusting thread. Common sense tells me that this is not the right place. Please disregard EMB retard's post.

Oh, and for the guy looking to build pawnee time. I've been meaning to tell you that baby step #1 for ag flyin is towing banners in conventional gear.
 

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