CRJ Windows Cracking

Willy21 · Mar 30, 2006

I busted one the other day at FL 380, Captian side window. It seems to be a common thing at ASA recently. Is any other CRJ operator having problems with this as well.

It'll Fly · Mar 30, 2006

You bet! they all do. This has been a top reliability issue for years. PPG points at Bombardier and Bombardier is pointing at PPG. There have been several product improvements but as you know first hand they have had little impact on a serious problem.

Was it a 200 or 700? The 700 is seeing some of the same problems.

It is ongoing and hopefully they will get it worked out.

propsarebest · Mar 30, 2006

It's been a CONSTANT problem for the CRJ, since day one. There is some STC that allows an operator to use the windshields from th Global express instead- supposed to be much more reliable.

OCP · Mar 30, 2006

It'll Fly said:
You bet! they all do. This has been a top reliability issue for years. PPG points at Bombardier and Bombardier is pointing at PPG. There have been several product improvements but as you know first hand they have had little impact on a serious problem.

Was it a 200 or 700? The 700 is seeing some of the same problems.

It is ongoing and hopefully they will get it worked out.

Said he was at F380. Still think it was the 200?

FatAlbert · Mar 30, 2006

Same thing happened in my katana! DAMN! THAT'S WHACK!

jws717 · Mar 30, 2006

Had it happen to me on my last flight at Comair before they furloughed me. 200 around fl330 in a climb, big bang kinda gets your attention. By the way i have a better job now and Cumair can take thier window and shove it...

FatAlbert · Mar 30, 2006

hahaha!

On another thread, I asked why it always smells like sh!t when Im riding in the jumpseat? It's obvious why...

Do I hear taps for ConAir?

EMB Skillz · Mar 30, 2006

Tapz, dawg! Republic be buying out ConAir! I best be gettin my stapler to update the seniority list.

FatAlbert · Mar 30, 2006

Republic wont do dat dawg!!! Why would they want those pieces of sh!ts...

the pilots that is

EMB Skillz · Mar 30, 2006

Word! Can replace the flight attendants wit' some ghetto ho's.

rtmcfi · Mar 30, 2006

EMB Skillz said:
Word! Can replace the flight attendants wit' some ghetto ho's.

Too late.......AWAC hired 'em all!

Gatorman · Mar 31, 2006

propsarebest said:
It's been a CONSTANT problem for the CRJ, since day one. There is some STC that allows an operator to use the windshields from th Global express instead- supposed to be much more reliable.

I have changed several on the CL600/601 (stopped counting sometime after 60 windshields) but they were made by Serrisan (SP?) not PPG.

That was like my bread and butter for a while. Although Bombardier was grasping for answers so they could put the blame on something, they never came up with anything other that impropper cleaning procedures.
They asked me what I thought of it all, I suggested that it could have been due to the temperature changes.
I did take notice that they were making them a little bit thicker without changing the p/n of notifying anyone, and that seemed to slow the windshield changes a bit.

Typically you can get 5 years out of a windshield and a couple more years out of the side windows.

GATOR

jws717 · Mar 31, 2006

rtmcfi said:
Too late.......AWAC hired 'em all!

nice! what else are you gona find willing to live in PHL.

Jet_Driver · Mar 31, 2006

3 times at Eagle

I can think of 3 times in the last year or so that a window as cracked in flight at Ealge on our CRJ-700s.

It's got to be a real wake up.

Blucher · Mar 31, 2006

With all these things cracking, has anyone yet heard of the whole thing blowing out? Or loss of pressurization? I haven't, but I've really only been watching where I work.

-Blucher:bomb:

bailout · Mar 31, 2006

Said he was at F380. Still think it was the 200?

We go there all the time in the 200. Is that a problem?

FatAlbert · Mar 31, 2006

bailout said:
Said he was at F380. Still think it was the 200?

We go there all the time in the 200. Is that a problem?

yes! stop climbing at 500 fpm in your pos plane!

Blucher · Mar 31, 2006

Gotta agree, if you're going anywhere above FL350 with that POS, please tell me who you fly for so I can avoid that carrier. Been to FL370 (mid-winter)prior to knowing any better and almost had to declare an emergency when we hit some turbulence. Whoever certified that plane for FL410 deserves a special place in the after-life!

-Blucher:angryfire

John Pennekamp · Apr 1, 2006

bailout said:
Said he was at F380. Still think it was the 200?

We go there all the time in the 200. Is that a problem?

Four-one-oh it, Dude!

sweptback · Apr 1, 2006

Blucher said:
Gotta agree, if you're going anywhere above FL350 with that POS, please tell me who you fly for so I can avoid that carrier. Been to FL370 (mid-winter)prior to knowing any better and almost had to declare an emergency when we hit some turbulence. Whoever certified that plane for FL410 deserves a special place in the after-life!

Declare an emergency because you hit some turbulence? Do explain.

Blucher · Apr 1, 2006

sweptback said:
Declare an emergency because you hit some turbulence? Do explain.

Sure. At altitude with those dinky little engines you can get a bit too close to the stall and fall out of the sky (don't care what the altitude charts claim, they're not accurate). Although you could probably recover from the stall you might then find that your engines have core-locked. That wing ain't designed for slow flight, and those engines ain't designed for the kind of weight we put on 'em. They are designed for 12 millionaires and their golf clubs, not 50 proletariat and whatever junk they're dragging around with them.

-Blucher:erm:

sweptback · Apr 1, 2006

Blucher said:
Sure. At altitude with those dinky little engines you can get a bit too close to the stall and fall out of the sky (don't care what the altitude charts claim, they're not accurate). Although you could probably recover from the stall you might then find that your engines have core-locked. That wing ain't designed for slow flight, and those engines ain't designed for the kind of weight we put on 'em. They are designed for 12 millionaires and their golf clubs, not 50 proletariat and whatever junk they're dragging around with them.

So you're the guy that disregards at where he's been filed, flies in the high 20s on a long flight, then ends up diverting because he gets tight on fuel!

If you get anywhere near a stall in any transport category airplane you've done something horribly wrong! Don't blame it on the airplane, even if it is a turd.

Blucher · Apr 2, 2006

sweptback said:
So you're the guy that disregards at where he's been filed, flies in the high 20s on a long flight, then ends up diverting because he gets tight on fuel!

If you get anywhere near a stall in any transport category airplane you've done something horribly wrong! Don't blame it on the airplane, even if it is a turd.

Ah...no. Actually, on the flight that gave me pause, we were filed for FL370 and that's where we went, albeit briefly. Neither of us were comfortable with the way the aircraft felt like it was balancing on the head of a pin. Not too long after level off we got into some moderate and couldn't get it to accelerate to .75. In fact, I think it wouldn't go past about .715, which is odd, because according to the charts we should have been able to climb to FL410 at .74 and then cruise at .77 in those atmospheric conditions at that weight. We asked for lower and got it. For the record, I was in the right seat on that flight and I fully agreed with the captain's decision to descend.

However, I do agree with one thing you said: "if you get anywhere near a stall in a transport category airplane you've done something horribly wrong!" That's exactly why I think these airplanes should be "re-certified" to realistic altitudes. I mean, come on, they aren't going to sell anymore of them anyway, let's stop the lies and just go ahead and admit the service ceiling is FL350.

-Blucher

JustaNumber · Apr 2, 2006

Blucher said:
With all these things cracking, has anyone yet heard of the whole thing blowing out? Or loss of pressurization? I haven't, but I've really only been watching where I work.

-Blucher:bomb:

Haven't heard of those problems, but you might have heard of one of our captains, I think it was a year or two ago, who was injured by flying glass when his windshield shattered in flight. I believe he had to go to the hospital, but that's all I remember hearing about the incident.

Blucher · Apr 2, 2006

JustaNumber said:
Haven't heard of those problems, but you might have heard of one of our captains, I think it was a year or two ago, who was injured by flying glass when his windshield shattered in flight. I believe he had to go to the hospital, but that's all I remember hearing about the incident.

I do vaguely remember that. Do you remember if it was serious (ie-eye damage), or just superficial (like a weird shaving accident)? Perhaps that's the real reason we have that one captain who wears those yellow shooting glasses all the time at work?

-Blucher:erm:

GrowASpine · Apr 2, 2006

had it happen to me in a 601. No reason was ever found out to as why. Mx told me that there is no solid evidence as to why they pop in flight

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