Crewpass and Cass; What's the dif?

[CesnaCaptn]

How was Cass funded? If the problem with Crewpass is where it gets its funding, why didn't Cass get dragged out also? How was Cass implemented so quickly after 9/11? Finally, why weren't Cass and Crewpass tied together and implemented at the same time?

 

[PuffDriver]

Cass is about 800/yr/airline

CrewPASS looking to be a minimum of 50/yr/person. The law was written that flight attendants have to be included as well

 

[BornAgainPagan]

The law was written that flight attendants have to be included as well

Huh? So the FA's will have to be put into CASS? ala, FA's will soon be able to jumpseat in the cockpit? Or will they have to come up with their own system for vetting?

 

[N1atEcon]

FA's will soon be able to jumpseat in the cockpit?

Cass does not mean someone goes to the cockpit,. The would be cabin riders only.

 

[PuffDriver]

Huh? So the FA's will have to be put into CASS? ala, FA's will soon be able to jumpseat in the cockpit? Or will they have to come up with their own system for vetting?

CASS is not going to be the medium for crewPASS. They are to different things. Here was the question:

How was Cass implemented so quickly after 9/11? Finally, why weren't Cass and Crewpass tied together and implemented at the same time?

 

[BornAgainPagan]

Cass does not mean someone goes to the cockpit,. The would be cabin riders only.

Well, we all know what the letter C in CASS stands for. Many times while jumpseating, the gate agent didn't check me intp CASS because there were plenty of seats in the cabin. CASS isn't necessary for cabin riders.

 

[BornAgainPagan]

CASS is not going to be the medium for crewPASS. They are to different things. Here was the question:

Have you been through CrewPASS? It uses the CASS database. If your airline doesn't have CASS, then no CrewPASS for you. That is, unless there has been a recent change.

 

[igneousy2]

I never understand these government overblown projects...How much fricken money does it REALLY cost to run some CAT 5 out to a designated checkpoint. $100 worth of CAT 5 a $200 netbook does not equal $50/person/month. 1-2 per person would be much more reasonable especially considering that the back-office stuff is already up and running. Somebody is making some serious coin with all these security programs.

 

[Nado]

Whats that old story about NASA. They spent millions of dollars trying to make a pen that writes in Zero G, the Russians used a pencil.

 

[CitationLover]

whats that old story about nasa. They spent millions of dollars trying to make a pen that writes in zero g, the russians used a pencil.

Привести чертовски карандаш просто снова ни Иван!

 

[Dizel8]

CASS is also serving the airlines interest, more chances for their pilots to get to work.

Crewpass doesn't really do much for the airline, what do they care if you have to suffer through "aggressive" patdowns?

 

[Mr Wu]

How was Cass funded? If the problem with Crewpass is where it gets its funding, why didn't Cass get dragged out also? How was Cass implemented so quickly after 9/11? Finally, why weren't Cass and Crewpass tied together and implemented at the same time?

CASS was pushed by the airlines when they wanted the concessionary contracts after 9/11. "We want billions of dollars of your pay but we'll pay the $800 so you can do what you were doing last year for free."

$100 worth of CAT 5 a $200 netbook does not equal $50/person/month. 1-2 per person would be much more reasonable especially considering that the back-office stuff is already up and running.

Don't forget that every checkpoint would need the TSA standard team - 1 male, 1 female, supervisor, data checker, behavior analyzer, etc.

 

[BuckMurdock1]

behavior analyzer

Breath Smeller...

 

[ExAF]

Hardly

Don't forget that every checkpoint would need the TSA standard team - 1 male, 1 female, supervisor, data checker, behavior analyzer, etc.

Not really. All they need to do is have one toad and a laptop like they do now at the test stations. If you aren't in the database, you go through the regular line staffed with the standard TSA team of nitwits. Problem solved.

 

[Mr Wu]

Not really. All they need to do is have one toad and a laptop like they do now at the test stations.

Sure. That's all they need to do but it's government and they have to build their bureaucracy. Ever fly out of an EAS station? Usually more TSA "officers" than passengers.

 

[Mike man]

CASS is also serving the airlines interest, more chances for their pilots to get to work.

Crewpass doesn't really do much for the airline, what do they care if you have to suffer through "aggressive" patdowns?

We just need to get all the executive level managers and above to get put through the body scanner, then post their body scans online--tiny pee pees and all--or have them groped by the TSA every time they fly...I wonder how long we would go without crewPASS?

 

[igneousy2]

CASS went through so fast because the super-cubical-pilots benefited because they Jumpseat to. Super cubies don't go through security ever because they only do turns out of their base where they are all badged and therefore bypass security. Creewpass will happen when/if cx/delays become rampant.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Cass does not mean someone goes to the cockpit,. The would be cabin riders only.

Wrong. Here's the dirty little secret about CASS. The COMPANIES determine who the put in CASS. A UAL crew found that out recently.

The CSA ran down at the last minute saying she had a FedEx jumpseater who she had cleared through CASS. The Capt. neglected to check for a license/medical. Passing through 10k they soon realized the FedEx guy wasn't a pilot, but a courier.

On top of that, there is at least one airline who has entered EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYEE on the payroll into CASS.

So, beware out there...always ask for that ID, License and Medical.