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Crew training under scrutiny (CRJ200 Crash)

dsee8driver

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14 JUN 2005 Crew training under scrutiny in Jefferson City RegionalJet crash
It appears that two Canadair RJ200 pilots on a repositioning flight last October, wanted to `have a little fun` by taking the plane to an unusually high altitude (FL410). The cockpit voice recorder transcript released during the NTSB hearing regarding the accident showed how the pilots cracked jokes and decided to take the jet to its maximum altitude. At that altitude almost simultaneously, both engines shut down and the aircraft crashed at Jefferson City. The NTSB hearing will a.o. focus on operator and FAA oversight of flight operations and crew training. (NTSB, Jefferson City News Tribune)


Hey guys, gals..

We take the 8 up to FL410 whenever possible and obviously after consulting charts. Usually you have to be light to be able to do it. Is the RJ so much different that on a repo flight (usually a light aircraft) cannot be flown to such limits? What's wrong with cracking jokes at cruise? I think this is another blame the dead pilot excuse to shift blame from a very popular commercial a/c.
 

Milkdud99

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If it is its Maximum Alt, should the plane still be able to function there??? now if they went to 41,001 that would be wrong, but 41,000 is perfectly fine isn't it? LOL
just a joke
 

Rook

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You'd be surprised how many guys don't check the perf charts and rely too much on the perf function of the FMS. I was flying at the time of the accident and we were having trouble getting thru 270 due to the conditions. It was a full flight though.
 

enigma

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dsee8driver said:
Hey guys, gals..

We take the 8 up to FL410 whenever possible and obviously after consulting charts. Usually you have to be light to be able to do it. Is the RJ so much different that on a repo flight (usually a light aircraft) cannot be flown to such limits? What's wrong with cracking jokes at cruise? I think this is another blame the dead pilot excuse to shift blame from a very popular commercial a/c.

dsee8, this accident has been discussed at length both here and on the regional forum so I won't attempt to explain it all here; but the accident crew apparently didn't know HOW to successfully climb to FL410. Their CRJ would have made it had they, one, waited to climb until they were light enough to get there, and two, maintained a proper climb speed schedule.

So no, this is not just another "blame the dead guys" attempt to shift blame.

The poor barstards apparently didn't know what they didn't know. RIP.

enigma
 

Yank McCobb

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enigma said:
So no, this is not just another "blame the dead guys" attempt to shift blame.

The poor barstards apparently didn't know what they didn't know. RIP.

enigma

Agreed. They screwed up about as bad as one can, in numerous ways. Even after all had happend...messed up the climb, almost stalled it, both engines flamed out...they STILL may have had a chance had they not overflown several suitable airports.

Yes, this is anything BUT "blame the dead pilots to shift blame away from a popular commercial a/c".
 

TurboS7

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Basically anything and everything that you could do wrong they did. We operate in an enviroment that is not safe. Modern technology has taken that enviroment and made it seem very safe. It is not. Remember above 280 you will not survive with just O2, it has to be forced into your lungs. Everyone should have to do a HALO dive just to appreciate what is going on outside of our airplanes.
 
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