crew scheduling sucks

[udontwannaknow]

i'm so pissed off i'm trippin'. i just got off the phone w/ skeduling...trying to tell me all sorts of crazy stuff. i talked to jenny.

 

[greygoose]

Why did you post this in two different areas?

 

[SlapShot]

how junior are you?

 

[FL000]

I can assure you that if Jenny was hosing you, she was forced to for some reason. She's one of the top 3 over there in terms of helping out and general attitude. She seems to get the big picture.

 

[IFLYASA]

Yea I tried to do a simple swap. A fellow pilot was trying to drop his last roundtrip of his 4 day. I would be completely legal to pick this up. He doensn't get paid and I do. No big deal right? Wrong. Even and the chief pilot agreed to this, signed and faxed the swap. They said they won't agree to it regardless. Why the hell not? Apparently it's too complicated to do such a simple swap. Don't want them to go out of there way or anything. This is getting very old.

 

[udontwannaknow]

Why did you post this in two different areas?

cuz i thought i took it off this one...

how junior are you?

uh...i've been here plenty long enuff to know...

I can assure you that if Jenny was hosing you, she was forced to for some reason. She's one of the top 3 over there in terms of helping out and general attitude. She seems to get the big picture.

maybe she just likes you. how would you know anyways??? has anyone in skeduling actually ever helped ANYONE out...
i mean look at IFLYASA's post...something simple they can't even do! is it laziness??? is jenny new or something???

 

[atrdriver]

No, she's been there about 3 years. And she is one of the very few over there that actually does try to look out for us.

 

[Palerider957]

No, she's been there about 3 years. And she is one of the very few over there that actually does try to look out for us.

Very true, unfortunately they will probably run her off for having a positive attitude. In times past there were a few schedulers you could actually reason with, but they were pushed out.

Now they are mostly a bunch of stupid, mean-spirited, teenagers...(who read flightinfo.com) who don't want to hear anything you have to say.

 

[FL000]

maybe she just likes you. how would you know anyways??? has anyone in skeduling actually ever helped ANYONE out...
i mean look at IFLYASA's post...something simple they can't even do! is it laziness??? is jenny new or something???

Unfortunately, I don't think Jenny is in any position to approve or deny swaps. That's a different set of schedulers.

 

[ArcticFlier]

Laziness is spelling scheduling 'skeduling'.


AF

 

[moscowcfi]

Crew Scheduling sucks

The sky is blue.
People have two legs.
A week is seven days long.

 

[bailout]

And you can fly nonstop back to Moscow

 

[scarlet]

Sch. is trying to make the F/As work 18-20 hours a day--and and the supervisors agree...THEY do not even know the FARs--it is 121.471 b-4,,The company thinks we are supplemental--ATL-LGW----

ALL CREWMEMBERS
SCh. 14hours can not exceed 16...

You have to have had 8 hours of rest in 24!!!!
24-8=16 hours

I am reaching the FAA today--but there was one on the flight from ICT--and he said 16 MAX... The crewmember will be fined and the company.

 

[DX Rick]

Yea I tried to do a simple swap. A fellow pilot was trying to drop his last roundtrip of his 4 day. I would be completely legal to pick this up. He doensn't get paid and I do. No big deal right? Wrong. Even and the chief pilot agreed to this, signed and faxed the swap. They said they won't agree to it regardless. Why the hell not? Apparently it's too complicated to do such a simple swap. Don't want them to go out of there way or anything. This is getting very old.

I'm sure it was a personal attack against you. Just Kidding. Although I really didnt deal with too much crew swapping at our airline, you have to realize you aren't the only one trying to get their schedules swapped. I'm sure you having a large pilot group scheduling might be over loaded with special requests such as swaps, dropped sched and what not. I saw when our sced department got over loaded with requests like that, they stopped all personal requests for a couple days just to get things straightened out.

Give them a couple day break, and try again. Usually when sched says "No" it's becuase a higher power gave them a reason to, unless your schedulers hate you, and don't like you bringing them freee food and booze.

If that doesn't work, play schedulers against each other. Just kidding again, thats bad.

 

[DX Rick]

Sch. is trying to make the F/As work 18-20 hours a day--and and the supervisors agree...THEY do not even know the FARs--it is 121.471 b-4,,The company thinks we are supplemental--ATL-LGW----

ALL CREWMEMBERS
SCh. 14hours can not exceed 16...

You have to have had 8 hours of rest in 24!!!!
24-8=16 hours

I am reaching the FAA today--but there was one on the flight from ICT--and he said 16 MAX... The crewmember will be fined and the company.

are you sure they're pushing 18-20 hours on F/A's? Who told you this? Was it your FA on a trip? Was he/she new? I had one of our FA's tell me I couldn't put her on a trip because she wasn't allowed to fly 3 days in a row according to regs. She was signed off OE a week earlier.

 

[Palerider957]

I remember the old Brasilia days with 6 minute turns scheduled through ATL, that's right SIX MINUTES. Obviously this was at best hopeless, and at worst a direct violation of part 121 "reasonable schedule" language.

We were constantly hitting the 16 hour wall, then being told to "part 91" the plane back to ATL."---No sir.

The only thing that made the company change was contacting the FAA hotline (800-255-1111). If it's after hours, leave a message and they will follow up. Of course this won't do you much good if you're being threatened with your job on a Saturday night.

 

[CF34-3B1]

I got integrated for a nap, had about 8:10 on the ground.

In range, got the "FA call Scheduling"

They were going to send her off on a dayline, saying since she had over 8hrs "rest" she was legal.

No they never took her off duty for the nap, never let her know until the inrange call.

If I hadn't stopped it, she would have gone.

 

[DX Rick]

I got integrated for a nap, had about 8:10 on the ground.

In range, got the "FA call Scheduling"

They were going to send her off on a dayline, saying since she had over 8hrs "rest" she was legal.

No they never took her off duty for the nap, never let her know until the inrange call.

If I hadn't stopped it, she would have gone.

You should suggest inflight explain these rules to these girls and boys while they are in training. I saw one girl sit in the crew lounge all day long because she was on 2 hour call out. She didn't understand the difference of 2 hour, and ready resv.
On the otherside, Sched messed up by not telling her she was in rest during that 8:10.

 

[rumorhasit]

was the f/a released to her dom or was it a trip? I don't know how comair or asa does their domicile or whatever...

 

[udontwannaknow]

i think sarge needs to step off his high horse and realize that he's talking about people's lives. i don't care who's reading this whether it's crewmembers or schedulers (did i spell that alright? whatever!) that's what sucks about scheduling. they don't stop to consider what is going on w/ the crews. i realize it's a job and that's great but i'm sure when they have drama they occasionally bring that into their work lives. so how is it that everyone else is expected not to do that? i'd like to see sarge work a 14+ hr day maybe 3 days in a row and see how he does after that. i'd be willing to bet that sarge never has even had to work more than a 12 hr shift at the most...

 

[udontwannaknow]

oh yeah...good luck on that GED. you would've thought that should've been required when you were hired.

 

[405]

i think sarge needs to step off his high horse and realize that he's talking about people's lives. i don't care who's reading this whether it's crewmembers or schedulers (did i spell that alright? whatever!) that's what sucks about scheduling. they don't stop to consider what is going on w/ the crews. i realize it's a job and that's great but i'm sure when they have drama they occasionally bring that into their work lives. so how is it that everyone else is expected not to do that? i'd like to see sarge work a 14+ hr day maybe 3 days in a row and see how he does after that. i'd be willing to bet that sarge never has even had to work more than a 12 hr shift at the most...

Someone get me a Kleenex.

 

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Sgt. Sked :

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My problem is that too many pilots simply assume us schedulers have no rhyme or reason for anything we do....

Sarge

No Sarge, we know that you do have a reason for what you do and it has a lot to do with your signature line. When an exhausted crew buries an RJ in the dirt with 74 people you will simply move on to another job.

I have never seen a group of people with so little regard for safety, employee morale, and just good common sense as crew schedulers. When we vote to strike, it will be the direct result of the fear and anger generated by crew scheduling.

Enjoy your power to abuse good, honest, hard working, pilots who move this airline while you have it.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Pretty accurate there Fins, agree 100%.

 

[Pedro]

You ave to give them a break, schedulers are a bunch of bitter people trapped in a room without windows or air conditioning, what else can you expect from them...

 

[acaTerry]

You ave to give them a break, schedulers are a bunch of bitter people trapped in a room without windows or air conditioning, what else can you expect from them...

Pedro you need to see reality. They have AC, and regular, VERY regular breaks.

 

[Pedro]

I know Terry, that's the way I picture them when they make me mad!

 

[CapnVegetto]

Bunch of symbols guy,

OF COURSE, it would ALL be scheduling's fault.....

Poor pilots.... Are those evil crew schedulers spreading fear and anger again?

lmfao

Until next time,

Sarge

boy is this guy a piece of work. if this isn't flamebait, you've got a perfect example here of a complete waste of humanity. not even a hs degree, so he takes out his anger at the world at crews. just looking at his signature proves to me that he's one of two things: just plain mean, or completely inept at his job. am i glad this guy doesn't schedule me.

 

[rumorhasit]

this is flamebait...can anyone see that?