Cream of the crap!

[HomerJ]

I support van segregation. These are airline professionals who have the right to remain well-rested, focused and stress-free as much as possible.
How many times have you gotten in the van before the sun rises, only to be crammed in with a low cost crew who are late and then start yammering like it's the shank of the day? The Captain has no authority over this crew, their own Captain is too wet behind the ears to know proper van ediquette.

Wow...I'd say you're probably one of the "10%" every company supposedly has...

 

[filejw]

Iv had this happen at couple of places over the years and the simple solutions is to be a bit more forceful, just get in van and make them wait.

 

[MD11Drvr]

I support van segregation. These are airline professionals who have the right to remain well-rested, focused and stress-free as much as possible.
How many times have you gotten in the van before the sun rises, only to be crammed in with a low cost crew who are late and then start yammering like it's the shank of the day? The Captain has no authority over this crew, their own Captain is too wet behind the ears to know proper van ediquette.

I am hoping there was a great deal of sarcasim intended with your message. If not then you must be in that 10% we are all saddled with. And for matter if riding to the airport with the rest of us common folks causes you stress might I suggest a career change. You must be wrapped way too tight for Aviation.

 

[saabservant]

This happened to me as a saab fo at mesaba: we get to Rapid City right after a dc-9 crew, capt goes out to see the van driver in the terminal, driver tells him them the nwa crew won't ride with us, the mesaba capt. too puss* to march out to the van and get on board, we get left behind for over an hour...
I got out there in time to see it drive off...

I looked for the nwa capt. in the bar at the radisson...would have been worth wasting a beer to dump it on him....
Woe to the next mainline prick who does this to me...hope you like your 0300 wake-up, and the piss in the garbage can on your door, or the bitchslap you may get...but wait, it's only mainline pilots who get arrested at nwa...harrr!

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Why hasn't GL, FDJ2 or 737Pylt weighed in on this issue.... Oh, right, probably cause their the ones trying to keep the rest of us off their van.

 

[MD11Drvr]

Why hasn't GL, FDJ2 or 737Pylt weighed in on this issue.... Oh, right, probably cause their the ones trying to keep the rest of us off their van.

To his credit 737Pylt did weigh in on the first page.

 

[mdanno808]

Why hasn't GL, FDJ2 or 737Pylt weighed in on this issue.... Oh, right, probably cause their the ones trying to keep the rest of us off their van.

Because they are waiting unhappily on some airport curb at this very moment.

 

[crashpad]

This happened to me as a saab fo at mesaba:quote]

It's just the way it is. Don't take it personally. Someday you may be in a position to understand the importance of crew segregation and how it affects your company. I can't spend 5-10 minutes waiting on another crew or expect my crew to be subjected to intimate body contact for a 20 minute van ride to your Microtel resort...just to 'take one for the team'.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

It is amazing how flight crews from different airlines treat each other as total strangers! C'mon..we are all on the same team. If you can count on anyone at an outstation it is your fellow crew!

Here are the advantages....


You can tell and hear the best stories about crews at other airlines.

Going out to eat with other crews is a blast. So much in common yet so much to talk about.

If you are single.. (not me!) some of the best booty calls are with other crews!


I hope when this industry picks up we don't go back to my brand is better than your brand...

 

[Tejas-Jet]

I've seen SWA and Delta crews in the same van. Sounds like a bogus exucse from a lazy van driver.

Rode in the same van with a Delta crew in MHT about a year ago. The F/O was a great guy, the Capt seemed "disconnected" and ( as we found out later that evening) the F/A's ROCKED !!!

 

[dsee8driver]

Before some get their panties in a wad....
I never saw the crew. When I called for a ride I was told van is on the way to the airport to pick you up and a DL crew. After a little over an hour and a few more calls to the front desk, the van driver showed up. He said the problem was that the DL crews cannot ride with anybody else on the van and it was in their contract so he had to return to hotel and come back for me. This is not to say that I have not been in a van with DL crews before, like in Dayton where we practically live. I guess some hotels don't accept the "It's my van, wa, wa, wa, wa." crying shyt. To be fair to the DL crews, I had this happen once, a while back, while repositioning a captain into Brownsville. The van driver actually refused to take us from curbside, because a Continental crew was already in the van. We took a taxi and checked in while the CO crew was standing there. Needless to say we had a few choice words with the old fart captain who was there.

PS. The tittle comes from a friend who got hired at DL a while back and said that while in trainning they were told a few times that the reason they were hired was because "They were the cream of the crop!".

 

[General Lee]

Before some get their panties in a wad....
I never saw the crew. When I called for a ride I was told van is on the way to the airport to pick you up and a DL crew. After a little over an hour and a few more calls to the front desk, the van driver showed up. He said the problem was that the DL crews cannot ride with anybody else on the van and it was in their contract so he had to return to hotel and come back for me. This is not to say that I have not been in a van with DL crews before, like in Dayton where we practically live. I guess some hotels don't accept the "It's my van, wa, wa, wa, wa." crying shyt. To be fair to the DL crews, I had this happen once, a while back, while repositioning a captain into Brownsville. The van driver actually refused to take us from curbside, because a Continental crew was already in the van. We took a taxi and checked in while the CO crew was standing there. Needless to say we had a few choice words with the old fart captain who was there.

PS. The tittle comes from a friend who got hired at DL a while back and said that while in trainning they were told a few times that the reason they were hired was because "They were the cream of the crop!".

We were also told we would be the "richest people on the block"---but now we are trying to figure out where that block is? Is it in ATL or Laredo, TX?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Noserider76]

Before some get their panties in a wad....
I never saw the crew. When I called for a ride I was told van is on the way to the airport to pick you up and a DL crew. After a little over an hour and a few more calls to the front desk, the van driver showed up. He said the problem was that the DL crews cannot ride with anybody else on the van and it was in their contract so he had to return to hotel and come back for me. This is not to say that I have not been in a van with DL crews before, like in Dayton where we practically live.
PS. The tittle comes from a friend who got hired at DL a while back and said that while in trainning they were told a few times that the reason they were hired was because "They were the cream of the crop!".

It was me man. I knew there was no chance you cargo dogs had any hot FAs and don't get any great deals at the bar so I gave the driver a $20 to leave you. After all, I didn't want to ride with anyone who isn't the cream of the crop.

 

[737 Pylt]

Why hasn't GL, FDJ2 or 737Pylt weighed in on this issue.... Oh, right, probably cause their the ones trying to keep the rest of us off their van.

No, because this thread is comedy and I'm still reading some of the responses before I go and get more popcorn!
Actually grog, I don't go to places like jax and lit!
I do go to FRA, CDG and SVO though!

737

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Note to self, be prepared to wait for van in FRA, CDG and SVO.

 

[Tail Gunner Joe]

If you are single.. (not me!) some of the best booty calls are with other crews!

I guess the grass is always greener on the other side of the terminal.

 

[DAL737FO]

I never saw the crew. /quote]

So it goes back to my scenarios. So is this the first time in your career that you've had this one used on you? This van driver could have been in a strip club down the street but you find it easier to believe that another aircrew was out to screw you over. Here is a secret... they are going to tell you anything so that you aren't mad at them so they can get their tip at the end of the ride.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Don't know about DAL, but I've heard it often said that ASA has it in their contract to have a dedicated van (as in not to share). I have never, ever, seen an ASA crew ditch another airline crew. These days we are trying to give away resume's to every other airline around.

But, in defense of the one crew per van concept, it is frustrating when three airlines crews are climbing over each other to the back seat and usually one airline has a 15 minute later duty in, so they decide to make everyone 20 minutes late after they get their coffee. Also the odds of a Flight Attendant over sleeping seem to go up exponentially with each additional airline on the bus.

If the Hotel is paid for the transportation and the deal stipulates a van per crew, then they should provide the service they are paid to provide. Holding up one flight for a sleepy crew member is one thing, holding up every departure from the airport is another. With the pay and conditions now prevalent in our profession - some are deciding it is not worth it to be professionals, we have all seen them.

So, if someone does not wait for my crew I grab a cab and expense it. No big deal. I fly for a frugal carrier, so it seems like you guys on the Majors board could come up with cab fare and probably get it reimbursed even quicker than the average guy. After 15 minutes, my crew is riding - period. No sense getting angry an over something that costs less than $5 a person.

 

[clueless]

We were also told we would be the "richest people on the block"---but now we are trying to figure out where that block is? Is it in ATL or Laredo, TX?

I think that block is in LBB............

 

[General Lee]

I think that block is in LBB............

No, went through there once, and I swore I would never again.

Bye Bye--General Lee