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Atccfi

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Here is a crazy idea that ran through my mind tonight.....

Instead of all the majors lowering their prices to the point that an almost full cabin makes them a little bit of money, wouldn't they all be better off if they RAISED their prices? I know it sounds ridiculous, but seriously, why feed from the bottom all the time? I don't know, just trying to get some thoughts on this.

PS- please don't beat me down to hard!!!
 
Atccfi said:
PS- please don't beat me down to hard!!!
...to hard what...? ground, pulp? ;) Now get back to studying your economics - quickly!
 
Because the majors are trying to compete with the LCCs by matching prices, which is a direct path to extinction.

Majors need to set a level of service and amenities befitting the term "major", and then charge an appropriate ticket price. They're not doing that, because they think the flying public only looks at price.
The sad thing is, these days I'm afraid they're right.
 
It's been tried and tried and tried and tried and tried and even tried again. There has always been and will always be someone not willing to match the fare increase, therefore killing the whole deal. In the end, everyone backs off and goes back to the rock bottom prices.

Just like pilot wages. There will ALWAYS be some eager, glassy-eyed low timer ready to jump at the chance to fly a shiny new jet for nothing. So as long as they are lining up to fly for nothing, then that's what the companies will pay. There has always been someone willing to do it for nothing, and there will always BE someone willing to do it for nothing. Guaranteed.
 
Atccfi said:
Here is a crazy idea that ran through my mind tonight.....

Instead of all the majors lowering their prices to the point that an almost full cabin makes them a little bit of money, wouldn't they all be better off if they RAISED their prices? I know it sounds ridiculous, but seriously, why feed from the bottom all the time? I don't know, just trying to get some thoughts on this.

PS- please don't beat me down to hard!!!
That idea would make about as much sense as Detroit making reliable, fuel efficent cars that didn't rust out, in the 1970's.
 
Atccfi said:
Here is a crazy idea that ran through my mind tonight.....

Instead of all the majors lowering their prices to the point that an almost full cabin makes them a little bit of money, wouldn't they all be better off if they RAISED their prices? I know it sounds ridiculous, but seriously, why feed from the bottom all the time? I don't know, just trying to get some thoughts on this.

PS- please don't beat me down to hard!!!

How DARE you question someone like Gerald Grinstein! He went to Hahhvaard AND Yale! You think you have better ideas than people who were born with a silver spoon in their mouth, graduated from ivy league schools and make millions? Hardly. Now go back to being a peion and let the highly edumacated people from the ivy league do what they do best, not knowing what in the he!! they're doing.

The gall of some people. :D
 
Atccfi said:
Here is a crazy idea that ran through my mind tonight.....

Instead of all the majors lowering their prices to the point that an almost full cabin makes them a little bit of money, wouldn't they all be better off if they RAISED their prices? I know it sounds ridiculous, but seriously, why feed from the bottom all the time? I don't know, just trying to get some thoughts on this.

PS- please don't beat me down to hard!!!


Don't you know that common sense has no place in the airline industry!!!

If I were you I would delete your post before a future employer finds out who you are. Plus, there is probably an obscure FAR that prohibits such thinking. :D
 
Some folks think I'm nuts for paying $20 more to avoid sitting in Airbus products. I like airplanes that have a big red "Computer Disconnect" button. I also like seat sizes made for Americians, not 4'9" midgets.

Anyone else here uncomfortable with a A380 concept? 800 people, 2 pilots, one mistake and it's the largest air disaster in history. . .

Fly SAFE!
Jedi Nein
 
JediNein said:
Some folks think I'm nuts for paying $20 more to avoid sitting in Airbus products. I like airplanes that have a big red "Computer Disconnect" button. I also like seat sizes made for Americians, not 4'9" midgets.

Anyone else here uncomfortable with a A380 concept? 800 people, 2 pilots, one mistake and it's the largest air disaster in history. . .

Fly SAFE!
Jedi Nein
Here's my prediction...the A380 will never crash due to pilot error. But I do understand your concern with 800 people being in the same airplane.
 
JediNein said:
Some folks think I'm nuts for paying $20 more to avoid sitting in Airbus products. I like airplanes that have a big red "Computer Disconnect" button. I also like seat sizes made for Americians, not 4'9" midgets.

Anyone else here uncomfortable with a A380 concept? 800 people, 2 pilots, one mistake and it's the largest air disaster in history. . .

Fly SAFE!
Jedi Nein
and I too will pay extra to ride on SWA's American built aircraft, even if it means putting up with their employees and schedules! ;)

As for the 380's, I agree. The risk is incredible. Regionals and SWA/JetBlue/AirTran type operations will dominate the future.
 
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First Off I'm not an Airbus fan but the A380 being a mistake ?? Not even close brother ! There ain't enough concrete around to support the shed-loads of RJ's and short-length low cost carriers, based on this concept the amount of actual air traffic has been and will remain finite unless we build some more runways....why you think aircraft with more capacity were put into production in the first place? Wasn't just for seat money, was based on the long term outlook of predicted traffic saturation and the most economical method of filling that requirement.
Airbus aren't trying anything new here, Boeing rolled a hell of a large set of dice with some big old hairy ones behind it on the original 4 engine airliner concept and won...massively so, Airbus are just borrowing the same concept.
I agree that we would be looking at quite a nasty disaster should this ever go bad, however....unfortunately...the old stick 'n rudder guy...guy with massive experience in over 20 aircraft etc etc is a dinosaur, the airlines of the future don't want him in their flightdeck, in fact they would rather not have anyone at all. One of the only massively unpredictable components in air travel is the human fellow or fellowess up front, how nice ( and I'm playing Devil's advocate here ) if the Airlines could get rid of him/her completely, thus reducing new transportation technology into a set of mathematical risk equations with a known risk assesment and somewhat predictable outcome.
The percentage is tiny, almost immeasurable, due to the ethereal standard we as pilots try to achieve.....however... fly by wire in an Airliner is just the first step to total automation, may not happen in our lifetime but it is going to happen, to some degree, sometime in the future.
The Scarebus 380 is the future's flagship, based on current economical and technological requirements with a view to what the future will hold in store on down the road.
Don't y'all get bent out of shape, our generation of highly trained professional individuals won't be affected and the generations to follow will also likely see little change, but change is coming.
I love aviation, love everything about it, have lived it and breathed it, lost a marriage to it and folks I gotta tell ya, sometimes on the weekend after a coupla glasses of wine, I look at my cat and think...hey wouldn't some job security be nice?
So bring on the 380, pay me a wage commensurate with my experience, let me retire in blissful happiness and die before I see a future that has no place for me or all the other type A shi t hot aviators and friends I've met along the way.
Blue skies y'all !!
 
JediNein said:
Some folks think I'm nuts for paying $20 more to avoid sitting in Airbus products. I like airplanes that have a big red "Computer Disconnect" button. I also like seat sizes made for Americians, not 4'9" midgets.

Anyone else here uncomfortable with a A380 concept? 800 people, 2 pilots, one mistake and it's the largest air disaster in history. . .

Fly SAFE!
Jedi Nein

Jedi,



If it aint Boeing; I aint going:)



Every since the Tail wiggled off. They (experts, airbus pilots, NSTB) can say what they want it’s just not "normal"



 
TIGV said:
if the Airlines could get rid of him/her completely, thus reducing new transportation technology into a set of mathematical risk equations with a known risk assesment and somewhat predictable outcome.

Didn't someone try this at an airshow once......
 
Down with both SWA and Airbus! I'd love to see a future of legacy carriers flying Boeings, forever! (Aint gonna happen, I know, thanks to our new Walmart culture.)
 

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