Crash Narrowly Averted at LAX (again...)

[Lazy8]

Great job to the SkyWest pilots!

 

[Newpilot2b]

Take that one To Jerry and Brad and say " How much are we worth to ya now?"

 

[bayoubandit]

What's rotation speed for an RJ? They said it was near 115mph when it braked (instead of pulling up). Just curious what the rot. speed is.

I sure as hell wouldn't want to be whoever was flying the Gulfstream

If it was going to SAT, then it was a -700. Rotation speed at sea level and approximating their weight would be around 123-126ish.

 

[bayoubandit]

Take that one To Jerry and Brad and say " How much are we worth to ya now?"

They don't tell us these things. We only find out about them through FI

 

[Morning Wood]

Take that one To Jerry and Brad and say " How much are we worth to ya now?"

No more, no less than the day before this happened. They aren't going to let the pilots back the armored car up to the vault because of these two incidents.

 

[Turtlesfly]

Unbelievable. It's not really that hard - I know we all make mistakes, but to cross the big double line with blinky lights and red boxes and red bars and then the ol' "clear left and clear right" and "cleared to cross" and writing the info in the scratchpad . . . I gotta say it these pilots are retarded. Thank God they left the airlines, if that's where they came from

 

[pookie]

Damn Brits, they always ruin it for everyone else. I would give a million peanut snacks to see the reaction of the two pilots as they watched the rj approach them at 130kts.

 

[-9Capt]

What about experience of the AirTran crew that flew through two level-six thunderstorms?

I don't know where you got two level six thunderstorms from, but there is more to this story than you know.

If you're talking about the early '98 incident involving the DC9 over Chattanooga, it was hail outside the t-storm cell that they ran into, radar was clear. The FO is a senior capt now, a good friend of mine. He took pictures of the aircraft afterwards, unbelievable, I don't know how it kept flying.

 

[-9Capt]

Unbelievable. It's not really that hard - I know we all make mistakes, but to cross the big double line with blinky lights and red boxes and red bars and then the ol' "clear left and clear right" and "cleared to cross" and writing the info in the scratchpad . . . I gotta say it these pilots are retarded. Thank God they left the airlines, if that's where they came from

You'll be next.

 

[BoilerUP]

I don't know where you got two level six thunderstorms from, but there is more to this story than you know.

If you're talking about the early '98 incident involving the DC9 over Chattanooga, it was hail outside the t-storm cell that they ran into, radar was clear. The FO is a senior capt now, a good friend of mine. He took pictures of the aircraft afterwards, unbelievable, I don't know how it kept flying.

Yes that is what I am talking about, and I did a presentation on the decisionmaking & CRM duing this incident in college based on the NTSB reports and the article about it in AOPA Pilot magazine. The NTSB report said the aircraft was operating around Level 6 returns and hit the hail while manuevering through an approx. 10nm gap between cells. It also reported the Captain was displaced to FO after the hail incident. The description of the damage is amazing, I can only imagine what the pictures look like.

The point of my post is pilots at every level make mistakes, and it isn't limited to the regional or corpoate level.