CR7 Weight Restriction

[IFlyFL410]

There are basically two scenarios in the CRJ-70 where you MAY become pax restricted:
1.) A very short flight where you are limited to Max landing wt + burn.
or
2.) A very long stage length flight where there is weather at the destination and you must carry a fair amount of alternate fuel.

However, that being said, one can almost always take care of that with kid counts, performance take-offs, extra burn-off on taxi-out, etc. I have been on the "70" for two years and have NEVER left a pax or bag behind, revenue or non-rev due to weight issues. Sometimes you have to really work the numbers, but it is a very good plane and is virtually never weight restricted in this way. The few times I've seen pax left behind it was usually due to the crew not taking the time to work the w & b.

Good luck with your travel.

Oh, and please disregard what G.L. has to say about the RJ. He is "General-Lee" ignorant and operates on speculation and hersay in regards to this aircraft.

Man, you must've never done SNA-DFW back in the day. No way were you taking 70 people on that flight! But I agree with what you say though.

 

[EWR_FO]

There are basically two scenarios in the CRJ-70 where you MAY become pax restricted:
1.) A very short flight where you are limited to Max landing wt + burn.
or
2.) A very long stage length flight where there is weather at the destination and you must carry a fair amount of alternate fuel.

However, that being said, one can almost always take care of that with kid counts, performance take-offs, extra burn-off on taxi-out, etc. I have been on the "70" for two years and have NEVER left a pax or bag behind, revenue or non-rev due to weight issues. Sometimes you have to really work the numbers, but it is a very good plane and is virtually never weight restricted in this way. The few times I've seen pax left behind it was usually due to the crew not taking the time to work the w & b.

Good luck with your travel.

Oh, and please disregard what G.L. has to say about the RJ. He is "General-Lee" ignorant and operates on speculation and hersay in regards to this aircraft.

Thanks a lot, I am going to cross my fingers and take a shot. I will get there eventually, but this flight would really make it easy.

Take care.

 

[General Lee]

It's not my decision to fly these things so far. But it is that reason and that reason alone that we can't take 70 PAX. Strictly a fuel load thing. I flew the long routes out of DFW for nearly 2 years on the 70.....I know what I'm talking about.

Good for you. I am sure you know what you are talking about. I am just disappointed that our costly new CR7s can't do as advertised. That is allowed, right? The reason your CR7 is going to St Croix is because the 738 it replaced is now going to otehr islands, like Barbados, Antigua, and St. Lucia. That is what happens when my management decides to hault 738 orders and continue to buy CR7s. And, maybe the loads to St Croix and now Kingston cannot fill a 738. You are right, we do not choose where these planes fly.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Puck Mugger]

The ONLY reason you are still around is because the great fuel insulation deal with DL and UAL.
Bye Bye--General Lee

Good business model I guess. Insulation is good when your mainline partner is too stupid to pass fuel costs on to the consumer. Which is what our arrangement does.

You would be gone faster than Indy Air if you went on your own, and if you didn't have us paying for extra gas costs, your profits would be losses.

But we haven't, and we do, and they are not. So you point, while theorhetically true, has no basis in fact or reality, and is therefore, moot.

And, if we don't get what WE want coming up here, you will probably also be unemployed.

True enough. My income is easily replacable.

Is yours?

 

[IFlyFL410]

It's been my expeience, mainly out in DFW, that whenever we took over MD-88 and 90 routes (PBI, SNA, ONT, JFK) that we never carried anywhere near 70 people. Even though we were authorized to 64 on the JFK route, we usually ran in the mid 50's range. Even going down to the Turks, it's never full either.

 

[General Lee]

Good business model I guess. Insulation is good when your mainline partner is too stupid to pass fuel costs on to the consumer. Which is what our arrangement does.


But we haven't, and we do, and they are not. So you point, while theorhetically true, has no basis in fact or reality, and is therefore, moot.


True enough. My income is easily replacable.

Is yours?

Absolutely. I haven't over extended myself, and I have other things on the side, plus my wife has a great job.

The key point for you is that the insulation will last a while, and then you could be gone. Your costs will have to lower, just like ours, to be competitive during the next round. I know there was a deal made when SkW bought ASA, but that will end, and then the games will begin all over again, with no more insulation deals. And, the Indy Air project showed your management that going solo is not a good idea with sharks like Southwest out there. You have been cornered, and maybe it is a good thing they don't give you that huge raise---they need to conserve now.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Puck Mugger]

The key point for you is that the insulation will last a while, and then you could be gone. Your costs will have to lower, just like ours, to be competitive during the next round. I know there was a deal made when SkW bought ASA, but that will end, and then the games will begin all over again, with no more insulation deals. And, the Indy Air project showed your management that going solo is not a good idea with sharks like Southwest out there. You have been cornered, and maybe it is a good thing they don't give you that huge raise---they need to conserve now.

Bye Bye--General Lee

On second thought, you are right. We are probably doomed.

I wish our future was as bright as yours.

 

["GO AROUND"]

The ONLY reason you are still around is because the great fuel insulation deal with DL and UAL. You would be gone faster than Indy Air if you went on your own, and if you didn't have us paying for extra gas costs, your profits would be losses. What you really need to concern yourself with is why your company is laughing all the way to the bank without paying you $5 more an hour for the CR7 vs CR2. You are the laughing stock. How about your 1.2% raise, anyway? Where is it? And, if we don't get what WE want coming up here, you will probably also be unemployed.

Did United go away after posting a ridiculous $12 billion loss last quarer? What about all of that new stock going to their management? How about USair going BK twice? You need to understand that people don't want a huge company to go away--including State and local governements. They don't want to lose the jobs. It will work itself out, and we will be fine. But, regional feed is expendable.

Have a great one Nero! Work on those pay rates---you are soooo profitable.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Fuel insulation is the ONLY reason SKW is still around. REALLY? What about the Fact that SKW has been consistently one of the best run airlines since it started? Can't say that about DAL can you, not consistently anyway? You keep harping on the deal that SKW made with DAL, why? Seems you are the only one that thinks it's a bad deal. Seems like a good deal to everyone else. DAL got to lessen the fees paid to SKW/ASA out of the new deal right? Didn't have the fight UAL had with ACA did they? Seems mutually benificial to me.

Laughing stock? Seems those profit sharing checks they get do a good job for making up for that.

Regional feed is expendable? Care to explain? DAL pilots gonna do it for cheaper? I think not. 78% of the pax's I bring to ATL from those small feed cities get on your 767 or othe DAL flight. DAL's gonna survive without regional feed huh?

Jet Blue is finding out how easy trying to feed from those smaller cities is. So much they are thinking about farming out the 190 flying.

 

[General Lee]

Fuel insulation is the ONLY reason SKW is still around. REALLY? What about the Fact that SKW has been consistently one of the best run airlines since it started? Can't say that about DAL can you, not consistently anyway? You keep harping on the deal that SKW made with DAL, why? Seems you are the only one that thinks it's a bad deal. Seems like a good deal to everyone else. DAL got to lessen the fees paid to SKW/ASA out of the new deal right? Didn't have the fight UAL had with ACA did they? Seems mutually benificial to me.

Laughing stock? Seems those profit sharing checks they get do a good job for making up for that.

Regional feed is expendable? Care to explain? DAL pilots gonna do it for cheaper? I think not. 78% of the pax's I bring to ATL from those small feed cities get on your 767 or othe DAL flight. DAL's gonna survive without regional feed huh?

Jet Blue is finding out how easy trying to feed from those smaller cities is. So much they are thinking about farming out the 190 flying.

Farming out the E190 flying? Say What? Not according tp my friends at Jetblue. But, you must have an inside contact.....

The deal with Skywest and the fuel probably added to the extra $600 million we paid for gas last quarter. Sounds like a good deal. One thing it did do was give the ASA pay negoations to someone else. Now they have to handle it. And do we pay less for fees but now more for fuel? Was that better for us?

Do the profit sharing checks make up for the lost pay raise (1.2%) and the difference between CR7 and CR2 pay like the other regionals have?

Regional flying is expendible. After contracts are up, it is time to look for cheaper feed. They will continue to do that to fatten up their own bonuses. And, unfortunately, we are doing it for cheaper---47% cheaper than Dec 04. The proposed 100 seat rate is Jetblue's, and that is now the benchmark. AWA/USair did increase it a tad, and they demanded and got the E190 flying and CHQ lost it.

I think feed for Delta is very important. But, when you put 50 or even 70 seaters up against LCC mainline planes, we start to lose on yeilds and it makes RJ flying more expensive and costly. That is why Comair and others in the future lowering the costs for crews etc. And, when I said expendible, I meant it can be farmed out to many available regionals out there that want the business. There aren't as many viable opportunities available for regionals out there, and RJs are slowly going away. (50 seaters anyway) The only other option is to go the Indy Air route, and that didn't go well.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Russ]

I can't imagine trying to make an authoritive post about an aircraft I've never flown based on the strength of what someone in the JS said about it.

But GL if you feel comfortable, please continue.

 

[Mookie]

I love the ignore list. makes these threads soooo much shorter.

Also, the JAC restriction is due to the difference in take off profile b/t skywest and ASA, as it causes about 2-3000 lb weight difference between what each can carry.

Mookie

 

[General Lee]

I can't imagine trying to make an authoritive post about an aircraft I've never flown based on the strength of what someone in the JS said about it.

But GL if you feel comfortable, please continue.

Yeah, what the heck does a line check guy know at his own airline, right? He also said some Captain got some time off for screwing up on the differences ASA has with quarter inch clutter and what exactly was reported on the JAC wx. He cancelled his flight and then backed up the rest of the days flights with extra pax. When ASA discovered this and investigated, he was awarded with time off. Yeah, I must have just made that up....... And, I have flown the 757 into JAC from ATL a few times, and it was lovely. Coming around that butte and landing south is fun, right over the teepee--ranger park area. Awesome.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[gator_hater]

Hey general, I'm not sure about St. Croix, but I an tell you that the info you recieved on JAC is not correct, I've consistantly had 60+ and yet to leave anyone behind.

 

[labbats]

I don't know why you would willingly take an AE CRJ700 from ROC to DFW. Ouch

I can't stand deadheading in our planes. I'd suggest making it a two legger out of New York if at all possible.

 

[IFlyFL410]

I don't know why you would willingly take an AE CRJ700 from ROC to DFW. Ouch

I can't stand deadheading in our planes. I'd suggest making it a two legger out of New York if at all possible.

Why would you willingly jeopardize yourself getting stuck somewhere trying to catch your connecting flight just because you didn't want to ride a jumpseat for a couple of hours??? It sucks up there, but not bad enough I would knock myself out of a one-leg commute somewhere.

 

[ReportCanoa]

He also said some Captain got some time off for screwing up on the differences ASA has with quarter inch clutter and what exactly was reported on the JAC wx. He cancelled his flight and then backed up the rest of the days flights with extra pax. When ASA discovered this and investigated, he was awarded with time off.

If the Captain saw something that wasn't in line with what the ATIS was reporting, then the decision was appropriate. There is NO justification for a suspension here. None. Period, point-blank. If ASA management did in fact suspend that Captain, shame on them. And shame on the check airman for disclosing anything in your airplane. Stupid as he11.

 

[General Lee]

If the Captain saw something that wasn't in line with what the ATIS was reporting, then the decision was appropriate. There is NO justification for a suspension here. None. Period, point-blank. If ASA management did in fact suspend that Captain, shame on them. And shame on the check airman for disclosing anything in your airplane. Stupid as he11.

He said the guy didn't fully understand the rules concerning the clutter, and cx'd the flight when he didn't have to, which caused major delays for very rich people trying to leave JAC. I guess you should know the rules, since you are the Captain, or maybe call someone and ask.


Bye Bye--General Lee