Bobby Orr 4
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Last, you don't know me or my background. Tell me again why I am a fool?
Agreed. I do not know you or your background. Re-read your posts. You may see why you are a fool.
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Last, you don't know me or my background. Tell me again why I am a fool?
Whymeworry--
You're simply throwing around some B.S. and mere tidbits of a much more complex story. I'm not going to claim to be an expert here, and I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but here's some of the missing parts of your rant:
- It's not true that only SW hedged fuels. It is true that they did far better at it than everyone else. One reason why is that ratings of their corporate debt made it possible to do futures deals that no other airline could swing. All of the airlines with sick balance sheets (that would be most of the rest of them) didn't have access to those same hedges.
- When you claim that SW cannot earn money without these hedges, you are assuming that without them, they wouldn't raise fares to get to profitability. I believe that they absolutely would.
- We've been listening to guys like you that say "just wait until the hedges run out" since about 2004. It seems that they've practiced a consistent policy of hedging since then, and I doubt they are going to stop just to give all of the other airlines a break. True, they are not hedged at $25/bbl anymore, but they don't need to be. If they can use their good rating and expertise to consistently get a 40% discount on fuel over their rivals, then they've won the game before a wheel is ever turned.
- SW doesn't price its product to absolutely maximize fares and profits as you would seem to prefer. Instead, they choose to offer a lower fare that will give them a steady (almost boring) profit, quarter after quarter. Maybe that's why my LUV shares never budged in 4 years....
- I don't think SW has "won" on every hedge bet (I think I've read about write-downs they've taken for hedging losses). But there are lots of eggs, and lots of baskets, and as long as fuel trends up in the long run, they do well overall. I've heard it stated many times that the goal of the program is not only to secure lower prices, but mostly to define those prices well in advance so that they become more "fixed" than "variable."
is it safe to say you don't like SWA?
whymeworry,That said, hedging is simply commodities trading. You cannot win using that strategy forever. Do some research and you'll see the investment archives are littered with multi billionaires who lost it all by getting stuck on the wrong side of a commodities/ currency trade.
This has been my point on several posts. This attitude of "I've been screwed by my mgmt and taken a 50% pay cut and now it your turn swa" is insane. As opposed to swa pilots being able to keep the bar where it should be so that other pilot groups can get their pay back and we can all benefit. You idiots ever heard of raising the bar. Guess not? The legacy airlines have screwed their empolyees and creditors while mgmt takes home millions and you point your fingers at swa? Are you kidding me? Do all us "professional" pilots a favor, worry about your own house. If your neighbor comes home in a new car, do you hope and pray for his house to burn down or do you try and better yourself so that you might do the same?I don't know what kind of earnings we will show. What I do know is the legacy carriers could post major losses and that will be bussiness as usual but if SWA posts ONE quater of losses there will be celebration amongst MANY SWA haters on FI thinking SWA is coming down in flames. I think some on this board would get more pleasure out of seeing SWA loose a dollar over the health of their own company. "we lost 300 million but SWA lost $1.00 YES FINALLY"
I wish people would just mind their own bussiness.
Interesting view, however, SW was the first airline to lower the bar back in the 70's and 80's when their pilots were the lowest paid in the industry. Those low pilot wages allowed them to grow to the airline they are today. They only look good now because they are higher than the rest of the industry. Also the highest paid executive in airline history is Herb Kelleher.This has been my point on several posts. This attitude of "I've been screwed by my mgmt and taken a 50% pay cut and now it your turn swa" is insane. As opposed to swa pilots being able to keep the bar where it should be so that other pilot groups can get their pay back and we can all benefit. You idiots ever heard of raising the bar. Guess not? The legacy airlines have screwed their empolyees and creditors while mgmt takes home millions and you point your fingers at swa? Are you kidding me? Do all us "professional" pilots a favor, worry about your own house. If your neighbor comes home in a new car, do you hope and pray for his house to burn down or do you try and better yourself so that you might do the same?