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Correct terminology - "Go Missed" or "Begin the Missed Approach"

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UndauntedFlyer

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Seems as though in the last 10 years or so I have begun to hear the term "Go Missed" meaning the begining of a missed approach procedure on an IFR approach procedrue. Before that it was always "Execute the Missed" or "Start the Miss" or something like that.

My question is where did the "GO Missed" come from. Personally I think it sounds like "teen talk."
 
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UndauntedFlyer said:
Seems as though in has been in the last 10 years or so that I began to hear the term "Go Missed" meaning the begining of a missed approach procedure on an IFR approach procedrue. Before that it was always "Execute the Missed" or "Start the Miss" or something like that.

My question is where did the "GO Missed" come from. Personally I think it sounds like "teen talk."
are you talking inside the cockpit or the call to center?
 
My question is where did the "GO Missed" come from. Personally I think it sounds like "teen talk."

Probably something like that. "we're goin' missed dude."
Our company SOP uses the training center SOP. The script for what to say goes something like this:

Arrival at MAP or DA, and runway not in sight:

PM: "minimums, missed approach." OR "missed approach point, missed approach."

PF: "missed approach."

As for what to tell ATC, there is no specific guidance as to exact wording that I can find. Just that you must inform ATC.

From AIM 5-5-5, pilot/controller roles and responsibilities:

2. Advises ATC that a missed approach will be made. Include the reason for the missed approach unless the missed approach is initiated by ATC.

And from the pilot/controller glossary:

MISSED APPROACH-
a. A maneuver conducted by a pilot when an instrument approach cannot be completed to a landing. The route of flight and altitude are shown on instrument approach procedure charts. A pilot executing a missed approach prior to the Missed Approach Point (MAP) must continue along the final approach to the MAP.
b. A term used by the pilot to inform ATC that he/she is executing the missed approach. (bold emphasis mine)
So it seems that "Podunk approach, 123XZ missed approach, (reason)" would be acceptable. As would addition of the word "executing" and further detail as appropriate. While "going missed" may or may not get the point across, my own efforts at trying to stick to standard phraseology would normally preclude my use of this term. No telling what might come out if I'm not thinking!

Best,
 
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I probably have at least 1000 approaches in my log book, but only a few missed approaches. What would be the significance of the wording, just as long as center understood what was going on? Unless you're talking about some kind of CRW misinterpretation problem.

I very rarely go missed, because 135 regs provide that I have mins before I cross the final approach fix. In addition, 135 regs provide that I cannot file for an airport that has forecast weather that is below mins. So "going missed" is not something I come across that often in the 135 world.
 
Me either. Maybe 2 or 3 missed approaches in the last 5 years on actual flights. Probably 50 or more in the sim, plus a couple dozen more while conducting training in the airplane. It just doesn't come up that often for me in the real world.

My desire to use standard phraseology probably stems from a combination of my sense of propriety and the belief that establishing consistent patterns of actions and communication helps to get me through training events with a lower level of stress!

I don't mean to suggest that this particular radio call is going to get anybody in trouble, but the original post seemed to me to be directed toward establishing what the most proper terminology would be. That's my take on it. What's yours?

Best,
 
charter dog said:
So it seems that "Podunk approach, 123XZ missed approach, (reason)" would be acceptable.
Why your emphasis on the word "reason?" Yes, it might be helpful to let ATC know whether it was because the weather was below published minimums or something else ("Podunk Approach, 123XZ missed approach. I just got my instrument ticket last week. I feel uncomfortable going all the way to minimums, so I decided I'd only go as far down as 800 AGL, so I am going missed now and, well, I..."), but the emphasis suggests that the reason is of equal or even more importance that the simple notification that you are executing the missed.
 
midlifeflyer said:
("Podunk Approach, 123XZ missed approach. I just got my instrument ticket last week. I feel uncomfortable going all the way to minimums, so I decided I'd only go as far down as 800 AGL, so I am going missed now and, well, I..."), quote]

...little shy about that one. ere ye, Mark? Don't worry. it'll pass.

Actually that is one good reason to state the reason, so others won't think it is weather.

AIM 5-5-5 a. 2. Advises ATC that a missed approach will be made. Include the reason for the missed approach unless the missed approach is iniated by ATC.
 
Had an instructor that would like to say "we are on the miss". Luckily I only flew with him a couple of times.
 
FN FAL said:
are you talking inside the cockpit or the call to center?


I am mostly talking in the cockpit briefing or even just during ground discussion talk about approach procedures.

I think that all of "Charter Dog's" answers on this subject are completely accurate. Especially when he suggests that it comes from common young peoples language. I have read of young pilots saying things like "Hey dude, we're not going to make it," or "Hey dude, let's join the 4-1-0 club," or even as Charter Dog points out, comments similar to, "He dude, we're guna go missed if we don't see nothin." The term "go missed" is just a carry over of high school "teen talk," or "valley girl" talk, or so it seems.

The correct terms are explained in Charter Dog's posts.
 
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If you really care about whether the guy you're flying with says "I'm going missed" instead of "I'm executing a missed approach" then you might have your priorities out of whack.

Of course you do have the three or four seconds while the engines are spooling up.....you could always correct him at that piont.
 
midlifeflyer:
Sorry for the misunderstanding. Re-reading that post now, it's easy to see how one might interpret that underline as special emphasis! I meant to convey only the idea that the reason could be stated there. During the initial "missed approach" call seems like an awkward time to go into laborious detail, so you fill in the blank with whatever you feel is called for. Please keep it short if it is ASE, EGE or any busy frequency! I think the intent of the guidance on this is to aid the controller, and by extention any following aircraft.

Slang is used by a majority of people in everyday life. Most of us understand what message is intended when it is used. UndauntedFlyer has simply pointed out one example of how people tend to stray away from defined aviation terminology over time by adding slang to our lexicon. I'm sure I am guilty of some infractions too. While this example of aviation slang is not that likely to be misunderstood, some others might be. Just something to consider.

Best,
 
UndauntedFlyer said:
I am mostly talking in the cockpit briefing or even just during ground discussion talk about approach procedures.
Ah.

I never get to talk to anybody much when I'm flying, so usually when I'm discussing the Missed Approach Procedure with myself during the briefing, there's usually a little voice that breaks in and says something like, "...that won't end well, especially if you have to make all those turns and stuff..."

Just kidding.
 
I try to keep it classy by saying "Should we miss...". And it's never "Climb checklist", it's always "checklist for climb, please". I saw it in a movie once ("checklist for lightspeed...") and thought it sounded cool. I frequently say "very well". It adds a classy nautical flair to the operation. Guaranteed, in five years, it'll be in the pilot/controller glossary right next to "roger". You heard it hear first...
 
midlifeflyer said:
but the emphasis suggests that the reason is of equal or even more importance that the simple notification that you are executing the missed.

I don't care much about the reason, unless it's something completely unexpected. If the weather's been crappy, and it's just above minimums, or below if you're Part 91, and you miss, I'll pretty much assume weather. If it's something completely unexpected, like a brushfire upwind of the numbers that's obscuring the runway, or you didn't get three greens on your gear, please say so. More important (at least to me) on a routine missed approach is your intentions, if you know right away what you want to do: "Center, XYZ123, missed approach, we'd like to hold for 15 minutes and see if the weather comes up" or "missed approach, we'd like to divert to ABC".
 
UndauntedFlyer said:
The term "go missed" is just a carry over of high school "teen talk," or "valley girl" talk, or so it seems.
and this is so mature....
UndauntedFlyer said:
The E-type ratings that had been self awarded on this Board are now "V" virtual type ratings.

The E-CFI is still the same.
 
mullet said:
and this is so mature....

I guess you have a point. But it does show that I like to enjoy life with a little humor. Are you interested in a V-rating or an E-CFI? You never know when these ratings will pay off. Probably never but I do enjoy both the humor and the dream of it.
 
UndauntedFlyer said:
I guess you have a point. But it does show that I like to enjoy life with a little humor. Are you interested in a V-rating or an E-CFI? You never know when these ratings will pay off. Probably never but I do enjoy both the humor and the dream of it.

UndauntedFlyer,

I am new to this message board, so please forgive my ignorance. You seem to be pretty full of yourself. Not sure if that is the intent or not. If I am going missed, which in 17 years has only happened maybe 5 times, I am saying whatever comes out of my mouth. It might be "oh f***, go missed" or "g** D***it, I really gotta take a piss". I dont think I have ever said "golly wow my co-pilot buddy, but I dont have the runway environment insight, therefore I think we need to executed the published missed approach procedure".

*** also you have listed all the big airplanes and motorcylce in general. Why not say airplanes and Honda Goldwing, YZ250, HD Fat Boy etc?
 

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