Contract Pilot - or +?

[Tweak]

1)what is the typical pay of a contract pilot in a lear or a citation make just starting out?

2)and how would you log the time if you have no prior flight training in the a/c?

3)Do you need to be SIC qualified to log right seat time in these type jets?...does 91 or 135 differ on this matter.

4)Finally, if typed...how much flight time would you need and how would you log it sitting right seat?

any imput would be great!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Contract Guy]

I’ll try to answer what questions I can.


1. I’ve never flown the Lear or Citation on contract but I would assume they go for around $300 to $400 a day, with the Citation X and Lear 60 probably pulling down closer to $500 or $600 daily.
2. If you have no training/time in the aircraft then you would need to look to the regs, if 91 then you can log time under 61.51(f) if the flight is an non revenue flight, purpose of the flight is to establish SIC currency, if the flight is 135 then it must be excluded from FAR 135 regulation by FAR 119.1(e)(3).
3. From my experience, yes, most contracts will not even look at you unless you are qualified and current in type.
4. Required time in type will vary from operator to operator depending on the type of aircraft and type of operation e.g. A G-IV department looking for an international relief pilot will want someone with a considerable amount of time in type as well as a moderate amount of international experience. If typed you will still be riding with company pilots and most of the time a company Captain so you will log the time as SIC.


I am by no means an authority on the issue in fact I am very inexperienced compared to most IC’s out there but I hope I have given you more to go on and I’m sure someone else will be along to add to this or correct any mistakes I may have inadvertently posted.

Regards,
CG

 

[Tweak]

Dear Contract Guy,

thanks alot for the info and time put into the response. i was offered right seat in a lear 24 with no exsp. I was just wondering how that worked. i guess more like an Internship? how would i log that...im going to try and look it up. just wondering if you know off hand.

thanks alot...take care C.G.

 

[MMO 0.705]

I'll try to answer some questions for you as well......

You need to become SIC qualified which is 61.55 Im pretty sure. It states you'll have to do things such as 3 takeoffs/landings 1 engine out pattern, knowledge of systems of the aircraft, etc. Check the reg. And as previsouly stated, you cant have passengers on board when your're doing this. If you do not accomplish what is stated in the regulations...you cannot log SIC even part 91. Part 135 opens a whole other can of worms because you have to pass a 135 oral with the company POI (FAA GUY) and a checkride. Part 135 and 91 are different with regard to SIC or PIC. You can't just start flying 135 without appropriate documentation and actions.

Your next question was about logging time. Learjet 24's require two pilots so you are a required crew member logging SIC. You log it as SIC and total and you log the actual, cross country, etc just like any other flight.

You asked about getting typed.....A type rating is just another checkride. I think you were asking how much time is required to be type rated and there is none. However, you'll either have to find a learjet Pilot examiner or go to Flightsafety, simuflite, etc for the checkride. You fly the flight to ATP standards and thats it.

Hope this helps in answering your questions and make sure they pay your the appropriate amount of money. You will be a required crew member and you should be paid as a required crew member.

 

[Rick1128]

MMO, the 135 checkride would depend on if the operator has a check airman or not. If they have a check airman, then you wouldn't have to take a check with the FAA. But it is still the same checkride.

 

[sydeseet]

Tweak,

Help us out a little here. The above posts are dead on but it's hard to give someone good general advice without a little more information.

Will you be doing pure 91 or 135 flying or a mix of the two? Mixing is common if this is a managed aircraft on a charter certificate. If the aircraft is operated under Part 91 (your standard company owned and operated aircraft) then a 135 checkride is neither available, necessary, or appropriate.

Is the company going to send you to school on the aircraft, such as Flight Safety, or is the chief pilot going to do the training him/herself? This is not necessarily a bad thing with a good instructor, though there is no substitute for sim training.

If you go into a little more detail about the position offered I'll bet we can drum up some worthy advice and assistance. Not that you haven't received such already.

REMEMBER - Yes, you can log the time during training and act as a Part 91 SIC once the training is complete. At this point, if not sooner, you are a professional Lear Jet Co-pilot - Bravo!! Don't sell us out by doing it for cheap; if they can afford the airplane they can afford to pay you a decent wage. Try $250 as a minimum but shoot for $300 or so plus per diem. They will respect you for this, if not go another direction.

Have fun dude, she's an old bird but you'll have the time of your life (until your back starts to hurt anyway........)

 

[Tweak]

First off....thanks for the responses...and of course your time.

I found out it is part 91... flying just some owners around. thanks again for sharing your advise. I wasnt sure how much a newby typical pay consists of. I now im new but will never do anything for free...its a code i will never break. I did find out he is going to be the instructor when i first start. i guess hes going to be my big brother for awhile untill he fells im ready...then he will ship me off to Simuflight. i have a meeting this week and will deff find out more info and details on it. All this is what i know so far. Thanks for the responses and help. Just wondering...being new and all. is starting as a contract pilot normal for corporate flying at first. Im guessing its a way of paying your dues untill found worthy...i dont really know? well, got to go, got to study...thanks again for all your input......i will deff inform the news when i get back.

talk to you all soon....its a small world out there....lol.