Continental scheduling.....gosh, why would you want to work here?

[MECH]

And you wonder why this profession is in the toilet?

"Yeah, sure, I'll GLADLY fly the 767 across the Atlantic for $50/hour! It's a big jet and I'm an international pilot!"

Get a clue, guys and gals.

If you think that is bad just wait. The last trip I flew was an IRO trip from CDG to EWR. The FO and I had flown together in a EMB-145. I commented how things had changed. Here we were 5 years later flying together over the Atlantic.

He then told me a story that shows how far we have fallen. He and another 1st year pilot were alone on the flight deck of a 777 close to the north pole. Combined they were making less then $60 dollars per hour. Also neither of them had health insurance.

Can you imagine the smile on the accountants face.

 

[CAL EWR B737]

He and another 1st year pilot were alone on the flight deck of a 777 close to the north pole. Combined they were making less then $60 dollars per hour. Also neither of them had health insurance.

Can you imagine the smile on the accountants face.

Well how about a major change within our union. APA is setting the bar on how a union should negotiate a contract. They have a strong leadership with a unified pilot group behind them.

A few years ago they made a change of their union leadership and look at them now. How about we make such a change starting with the EWR LEC election that is open today. It's time we fight the enemy, Continental Management.

CAL EWR LEC 170 Pilots vote for Baron/Cook/Riggs, its time we start acting like a real union not a good ole' boys social club!

www.jaysonbaron.info
www.taracook.info
www.kayeriggs.info

 

[DOVPILOT]

Are you for real??? If so, then this link is for you....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=betMng6D0K8

now that's a classic

 

[contrail67]

It's a hell of A LOT easier flying a big jet accross the Atlantic as opposed to flying 7 legger day with a low time wonder and then do it all over again after a short layover and a 5am wake up.

And that is why I moved on......enough of that 7 leg stuff.

 

[jumppilot]

If you think that is bad just wait. The last trip I flew was an IRO trip from CDG to EWR. The FO and I had flown together in a EMB-145. I commented how things had changed. Here we were 5 years later flying together over the Atlantic.

He then told me a story that shows how far we have fallen. He and another 1st year pilot were alone on the flight deck of a 777 close to the north pole. Combined they were making less then $60 dollars per hour. Also neither of them had health insurance.

Can you imagine the smile on the accountants face.

People need to stop blaming management for that. If you want to see why they were flying 60NM from NPOLE and making $62/hr combined with no health insurance, wake up the captain and ask him how he voted on C02. I was flying a -400 across the pond from London and was in that same situation. And I didn't get mad at mgmt, I got mad at the people who put up with it.

On my last trip, a CA said, "I can't believe what they pay you guys."

I simply said, "They pay us what you voted for". Kind of a quiet cockpit after that, but the truth hurts. It seems like pilots are up in arms with reality even though they created that reality.

If every year took a $2/hr lower pay rate, the first year guys could make $50/hr. But no, "you're going to be on the 12 year scale longer than the 1st year scale." While that is true, I'm tired of people making excuses for "mgmt is screwing the first year guys".

It's not mgmts fault. They are playing the game, and doing it well. Unfortunately, like UAL voting away scope for their A-Fund (which went away anyways), pilots are our own worst enemy.

 

[Palomino]

On my last trip, a CA said, "I can't believe what they pay you guys."

I simply said, "They pay us what you voted for". Kind of a quiet cockpit after that, but the truth hurts.

excellent point. keep reminding the yes voters as often as possible.

 

[CAL EWR B737]

Jumppilot and Palomino,

As much as I'd like to rewrite past history we can't, so all we can do is move forward. If I didn't believe our pilots were ready to fight CAL Management for a real contract, I wouldn't be waisting my time running for EWR CA Rep.

How about we take all of those who don't care or will not fight along for a ride? What I mean, we are going to get a great contract with or without them. After 21 years I am sick and tired of placating to the lower expectations of other bases. It's time the rest of the bases come up to our (EWR) expectations. We have 1500 new pilots here at CAL how about we build some old fashioned leverage and practice old fashioned leveraged bargaining?

Have you guys voted yet?

www.jaysonbaron.info
www.taracook.info
www.kayeriggs.info

 

[SMOE]

Jumppilot and

...We have 1500 new pilots here at CAL ...


www.jaysonbaron.info
www.taracook.info
www.kayeriggs.info

And 147 on the street...

 

[SMOE]

If you think that is bad just wait. The last trip I flew was an IRO trip from CDG to EWR. The FO and I had flown together in a EMB-145. I commented how things had changed. Here we were 5 years later flying together over the Atlantic.

He then told me a story that shows how far we have fallen. He and another 1st year pilot were alone on the flight deck of a 777 close to the north pole. Combined they were making less then $60 dollars per hour. Also neither of them had health insurance.

Can you imagine the smile on the accountants face.

Not as big a smile knowing NJ unemployment was a pay raise for us first year FOs...:angryfire

 

[dojetdriver]

People need to stop blaming management for that. If you want to see why they were flying 60NM from NPOLE and making $62/hr combined with no health insurance, wake up the captain and ask him how he voted on C02. I was flying a -400 across the pond from London and was in that same situation. And I didn't get mad at mgmt, I got mad at the people who put up with it.

On my last trip, a CA said, "I can't believe what they pay you guys."

I simply said, "They pay us what you voted for". Kind of a quiet cockpit after that, but the truth hurts. It seems like pilots are up in arms with reality even though they created that reality.

I know many are not going to like this. And I KNOW that it pays off in the long run, sort of, we all hope.

But you could ALSO blame the guys that showed up to do the job for $62/hr combined.

NO, I'M NOT FLAMING YOU, or anybody else. We pilots are our own worst enemies. Been that way for a while, gonna be that way in the future.

 

[V1rowt8]

Not as big a smile knowing NJ unemployment was a pay raise for us first year FOs...:angryfire

Smoe, your avatar is awesome!!!

 

[Palomino]

Have you guys voted yet?

www.jaysonbaron.info
www.taracook.info
www.kayeriggs.info

wish you were on my ballot. not EWR based. but i've seen you in action, JB, at the Wall Street Rally...and i've flown with Kaye. i'm VERY encouraged that you are both making an effort to change our pilot group.

thanks for your work. i'm confident your ticket will prevail.

 

[CAL EWR B737]

And 147 on the street...

Of course and you will not be forgotten. If you listen to my nomination speech or read any of my material on my election web site you will understand I am a huge supporter of our junior pilots especially those who have been furloughed. Make no mistake about it you were furloughed because Continental could and for no other reason. Continental management (our enemy) wanted to rub that in the faces of the 147 furloughed pilots and each and every other CAL Pilot.

My running mate Tara Cook is Vice Chairman of the furlough committee and has worked very hard on your part.

If you read Captain Vinny Scotto's diatribe that was blast mailed out to all 2500 EWR pilots yesterday through the ALPA election blast mail system you will see he accused me as being far to friendly to the junior pilots and trying to strongly encourage our pilots of flying less, not picking up open time etc., to minimize or prevent furloughs.

If I can be of any assistance to you please e-mail me through my election web site. Take it one day at a time and you will come back to an infrastructure in place to negotiate a real contract with no "B" Scale and livable wages and insurance the first year.




www.jaysonbaron.info

 

[CAL EWR B737]

wish you were on my ballot. not EWR based. but i've seen you in action, JB, at the Wall Street Rally...and i've flown with Kaye. i'm VERY encouraged that you are both making an effort to change our pilot group.

thanks for your work. i'm confident your ticket will prevail.

Thanks for your support and together all 5000 strong we will prevail.

 

[RT8VA]

I know many are not going to like this. And I KNOW that it pays off in the long run, sort of, we all hope.

But you could ALSO blame the guys that showed up to do the job for $62/hr combined.

NO, I'M NOT FLAMING YOU, or anybody else. We pilots are our own worst enemies. Been that way for a while, gonna be that way in the future.

It has nothing to do with not liking what you said there is a lot of truth to it. However the other option is to stay at a regional where top captain pay isn't even half way up the FO pay scale and you also are in a position to have no effect on the future contracts at the majors whichever you choose. I just dont see it proving a point to stay at a job that over the course of your career will pay so much less, if anything it proves the opposite, pay me enough to get by let me get my bills up because it takes so long to get to the point where you are paid enough to get by at a regional and then I will be stuck accepting this wage. Not a flame at all I worked a lot of years at a regional and some people dont ever want to leave there and I understand.

This isn't about the regionals vs. the majors or anything else but on here it always becomes that way, go to the job you like stay there as long as you like and who cares where others think you should be. When you get there dont forget to look at making it better for the guys that come after you. That means better pay and benefits from year one till the end.

It is hard to say you wouldnt go some where that had low first year pay when there isn't a regional out there whos first year pay is even as high as CALs pathetic first year pay. (and dont tell me it is becauses your new fos are not experienced because that is the same argument here) Every one can do better. You go to a company because over the long haul it will be good for you personally not because some one else thinks it is a good or bad idea.

 

[whatitdoing?]

And what was your pay flying around the ERJ? 19 bucks an hour to start?

 

[dojetdriver]

It has nothing to do with not liking what you said there is a lot of truth to it. However the other option is to stay at a regional where top captain pay isn't even half way up the FO pay scale and you also are in a position to have no effect on the future contracts at the majors whichever you choose. I just dont see it proving a point to stay at a job that over the course of your career will pay so much less, if anything it proves the opposite, pay me enough to get by let me get my bills up because it takes so long to get to the point where you are paid enough to get by at a regional and then I will be stuck accepting this wage. Not a flame at all I worked a lot of years at a regional and some people dont ever want to leave there and I understand.

Agreed, I have no intention of staying either.

This isn't about the regionals vs. the majors or anything else but on here it always becomes that way, go to the job you like stay there as long as you like and who cares where others think you should be. When you get there dont forget to look at making it better for the guys that come after you. That means better pay and benefits from year one till the end.

Again, agreed. I had NO intention making a regional vs. major issue.

It is hard to say you wouldnt go some where that had low first year pay when there isn't a regional out there whos first year pay is even as high as CALs pathetic first year pay. (and dont tell me it is becauses your new fos are not experienced because that is the same argument here) Every one can do better. You go to a company because over the long haul it will be good for you personally not because some one else thinks it is a good or bad idea.

For the third time. AGREED. Like I said, I have no intention of staying where I'm at.

The last statement in my post was the most important. I wasn't singling anybody out.

And what was your pay flying around the ERJ? 19 bucks an hour to start?

See above. Just curious, were you OO or EV? Yeah, I know one owns the other.

And to answer your question no. $19/hr is what SkyWest was paying at that time.

 

[Captain X]

I would imagine that most of the complainers here are commuters or came from Express (Most XJT folks are strange to begin with...lets face it they mostly all paid for their jobs back in the 90's.)

Easy there on your generalizations tiger. There are close to 1000 former Express pilots at CAL that didn't pay a dime for their job. Many hired in the '90's.

 

[Kugelblitz]

You should thank God you still have a job, but yeah everyone's schedule sucks now. Enjoy the time you have with your family, one day it may be gone.

One day it will be gone.