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Head Spook Sputters
By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: April 15, 2004
WASHINGTON:
If only Osama had faxed an X-marks-the-spot map to the Crawford ranch showing the Pentagon, the Capitol, the twin towers and the word "BOOM!" scrawled in Arabic.
That might have sparked sluggish imaginations. Or maybe not.
Only a couple of weeks after the endlessly vacationing President Bush got his Aug. 6, 2001, briefing with the shivery headline "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.," the C.I.A. chief, George Tenet, and other top agency officials received a briefing about the arrest of Zacarias Moussaoui after his suspicious behavior in a Minnesota flight school. And that had another shivery headline: "Islamic Extremist Learns to Fly."
"The news had no evident effect" on prompting the C.I.A. to warn anyone, according to the drily rendered report of the 9/11 commission's staff, which faults the agency for management miasma and Al Qaeda myopia, citing a failure to make a "comprehensive estimate of the enemy."
Asked by the commission member Timothy Roemer about whether he had shared this amazing news at a Sept. 4 meeting with Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld and Richard Clarke — the meeting on Al Qaeda that Mr. Clarke had been urgently begging for since January — Mr. Tenet said no. Asked if he had ever mentioned it to Mr. Bush in August, during a month of "high chatter and huge warnings," Mr. Tenet said no.
The Man Whose Hair Was Allegedly on Fire told the commissioners that he had not talked to the president at all in August. Mr. Bush was in Texas, and he was in Washington. Or he was on vacation, and the president was in Texas. Quel high alert.
After the hearing, Mr. Tenet had an aide call reporters to say he had misspoken, that he had briefed the president twice in August, in Crawford on Aug. 17 for a morning briefing he deemed unexceptional and again in Washington on Aug. 31.
I'm not sure whether Mr. Tenet — a mystifyingly beloved figure even though he was in charge during the two biggest intelligence failures since Pearl Harbor and the Bay of Pigs — has a faulty memory, which is scary. Or if he's fuzzing things up because he told the president more specifics than he wants to admit. But in a town where careers are made on face time with the president, it's fishy that the head spook can't remember a six-hour trip to Crawford for some.
In a commission staff report, there is a stark juxtaposition of Sandy Berger's approach before the millennium and Condi Rice's before 9/11.
"Berger, in particular, met or spoke constantly with Tenet and Attorney General Reno," the report said. "He visited the F.B.I. and the C.I.A. on Christmas Day 1999 to raise the morale of exhausted officials."
Condi and her deputy, Steve Hadley, did not stoop to mere domestic work. "Rice and Hadley told us that before 9/11, they did not feel they had the job of handling domestic security." They left that up to Dick Clarke to broker, the same guy Dick Cheney said "wasn't in the loop."
Maybe Condi's confusion about her job — that it entailed national security as well as being the president's foreign policy governess and workout partner — explains why so many critical clues went into the black holes of the F.B.I. and the C.I.A.
After the Bay of Pigs, President Kennedy spoke to newspaper publishers and said: "This administration intends to be candid about its errors. For as a wise man once said, `An error does not become a mistake until you refuse to correct it.' . . . Without debate, without criticism, no administration and no country can succeed — and no republic can survive."
Compare Kennedy with Mr. Bush, who conceded no errors and warned that any Vietnam analogy with Iraq — in this acid flashback moment when 64 U.S. troops were reported to have died last week and when McNarummy is forcing up to 20,000 troops to stay in Iraq — "sends the wrong message to our troops and sends the wrong message to the enemy."
He reiterated that his mission is dictated from above: "Freedom is the almighty's gift to every man and woman in this world."
Given the Saudi religious authority's fatwa against our troops, and given that our marines are surrounding a cleric in the holy city of Najaf, we really don't want to make Muslims think we're fighting a holy war. That would only further inflame the Arab world and endanger our overstretched military, so let's hope that Mr. Bush's reference to the almighty was to Dick Cheney.
By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: April 15, 2004
WASHINGTON:
If only Osama had faxed an X-marks-the-spot map to the Crawford ranch showing the Pentagon, the Capitol, the twin towers and the word "BOOM!" scrawled in Arabic.
That might have sparked sluggish imaginations. Or maybe not.
Only a couple of weeks after the endlessly vacationing President Bush got his Aug. 6, 2001, briefing with the shivery headline "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.," the C.I.A. chief, George Tenet, and other top agency officials received a briefing about the arrest of Zacarias Moussaoui after his suspicious behavior in a Minnesota flight school. And that had another shivery headline: "Islamic Extremist Learns to Fly."
"The news had no evident effect" on prompting the C.I.A. to warn anyone, according to the drily rendered report of the 9/11 commission's staff, which faults the agency for management miasma and Al Qaeda myopia, citing a failure to make a "comprehensive estimate of the enemy."
Asked by the commission member Timothy Roemer about whether he had shared this amazing news at a Sept. 4 meeting with Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld and Richard Clarke — the meeting on Al Qaeda that Mr. Clarke had been urgently begging for since January — Mr. Tenet said no. Asked if he had ever mentioned it to Mr. Bush in August, during a month of "high chatter and huge warnings," Mr. Tenet said no.
The Man Whose Hair Was Allegedly on Fire told the commissioners that he had not talked to the president at all in August. Mr. Bush was in Texas, and he was in Washington. Or he was on vacation, and the president was in Texas. Quel high alert.
After the hearing, Mr. Tenet had an aide call reporters to say he had misspoken, that he had briefed the president twice in August, in Crawford on Aug. 17 for a morning briefing he deemed unexceptional and again in Washington on Aug. 31.
I'm not sure whether Mr. Tenet — a mystifyingly beloved figure even though he was in charge during the two biggest intelligence failures since Pearl Harbor and the Bay of Pigs — has a faulty memory, which is scary. Or if he's fuzzing things up because he told the president more specifics than he wants to admit. But in a town where careers are made on face time with the president, it's fishy that the head spook can't remember a six-hour trip to Crawford for some.
In a commission staff report, there is a stark juxtaposition of Sandy Berger's approach before the millennium and Condi Rice's before 9/11.
"Berger, in particular, met or spoke constantly with Tenet and Attorney General Reno," the report said. "He visited the F.B.I. and the C.I.A. on Christmas Day 1999 to raise the morale of exhausted officials."
Condi and her deputy, Steve Hadley, did not stoop to mere domestic work. "Rice and Hadley told us that before 9/11, they did not feel they had the job of handling domestic security." They left that up to Dick Clarke to broker, the same guy Dick Cheney said "wasn't in the loop."
Maybe Condi's confusion about her job — that it entailed national security as well as being the president's foreign policy governess and workout partner — explains why so many critical clues went into the black holes of the F.B.I. and the C.I.A.
After the Bay of Pigs, President Kennedy spoke to newspaper publishers and said: "This administration intends to be candid about its errors. For as a wise man once said, `An error does not become a mistake until you refuse to correct it.' . . . Without debate, without criticism, no administration and no country can succeed — and no republic can survive."
Compare Kennedy with Mr. Bush, who conceded no errors and warned that any Vietnam analogy with Iraq — in this acid flashback moment when 64 U.S. troops were reported to have died last week and when McNarummy is forcing up to 20,000 troops to stay in Iraq — "sends the wrong message to our troops and sends the wrong message to the enemy."
He reiterated that his mission is dictated from above: "Freedom is the almighty's gift to every man and woman in this world."
Given the Saudi religious authority's fatwa against our troops, and given that our marines are surrounding a cleric in the holy city of Najaf, we really don't want to make Muslims think we're fighting a holy war. That would only further inflame the Arab world and endanger our overstretched military, so let's hope that Mr. Bush's reference to the almighty was to Dick Cheney.
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Bush Failed to Stop al Qaeda During Clinton Years
(2004-04-11) -- A presidential briefing, dated August 6, 2001, and released by the White House yesterday, shows that in 1998 George W. Bush did nothing to respond to the threat of terror attacks from Usama bin Laden's al Qaeda network.
In fact, when correlated with last week's testimony before the 9/11 Commission by National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, it seems clear that the Bush administration had virtually no plan to act on top-secret intelligence gathered during the Clinton administration until after George W. Bush took office in 2001.
"The August 6 PDB (President's Daily Brief) clearly shows that the White House knew of potential al Qaeda threats within the United States in 1998," said an unnamed source from an unnamed, non-partisan Washington think tank, "and yet Texas Governor George W. Bush didn't do anything about these threats until after he became president."
A former senior official in the Clinton administration, who requested anonymity, said that former President Bill Clinton was "aghast at the lethargic response of Governor Bush to the clear and present danger al Qaeda posed to our homeland in the 1990s."
(2004-04-11) -- A presidential briefing, dated August 6, 2001, and released by the White House yesterday, shows that in 1998 George W. Bush did nothing to respond to the threat of terror attacks from Usama bin Laden's al Qaeda network.
In fact, when correlated with last week's testimony before the 9/11 Commission by National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, it seems clear that the Bush administration had virtually no plan to act on top-secret intelligence gathered during the Clinton administration until after George W. Bush took office in 2001.
"The August 6 PDB (President's Daily Brief) clearly shows that the White House knew of potential al Qaeda threats within the United States in 1998," said an unnamed source from an unnamed, non-partisan Washington think tank, "and yet Texas Governor George W. Bush didn't do anything about these threats until after he became president."
A former senior official in the Clinton administration, who requested anonymity, said that former President Bill Clinton was "aghast at the lethargic response of Governor Bush to the clear and present danger al Qaeda posed to our homeland in the 1990s."
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This is an interesting phenomenon. You would never hear a liberal or a Democrat--no matter how drunk--say "that Madeline Albright is a real babe" with a straight face.
And yet Ms. Rice, a severe-looking woman if I ever saw one, is the object of adoration.
If Clinton'd had an intelligent, well-spoken, black, female advisor, the GOP would dismiss her as a "token minority cabinet member."
And yet Ms. Rice, a severe-looking woman if I ever saw one, is the object of adoration.
If Clinton'd had an intelligent, well-spoken, black, female advisor, the GOP would dismiss her as a "token minority cabinet member."
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True. That's why I hate politics.Salty Dog said:
I will say this though: those Democrats were slandering an adult. They generally avoid ridiculing children in the national media.
Republicans can't make the same claim. Just ask Chelsea.
(Not that this has anything to do with Rice...I digress.)
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It cuts both ways.
Those of you trashing the 'pubs generally over comments by a few about Chelsea Clinton or Amy Carter have very short memories...
What about the stories and swipes at Bush's daughters about a year and a half ago?
Or more recently, the attacks on Cheney's daughter for supporting her dad coming from the homosexual community (one of Cheney's daughters is lesbian).
Lots of dems play dirty.
Those of you trashing the 'pubs generally over comments by a few about Chelsea Clinton or Amy Carter have very short memories...
What about the stories and swipes at Bush's daughters about a year and a half ago?
Or more recently, the attacks on Cheney's daughter for supporting her dad coming from the homosexual community (one of Cheney's daughters is lesbian).
Lots of dems play dirty.
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I vote for issues. Not personality.
And this is the problem with American elections.
A person's success is determined by their telegenicity (to coin a phrase).
Ever since Kennedy chose to wear make-up and Nixon didn't we have been doomed to elect the guy (or gal) that just seems to "portray themself better."
Look at Reagan.
And Bush Sr. (vs. Dukakis in the tank with the helmet)
And Clinton
And even Bush Jr. for all of his verbal gaffes seemed more human than the robotic and monotone Gore.
And so, we get what we vote for don't we?
All image. No substance.
All spin. All the time.
Where's the beef?
And this is the problem with American elections.
A person's success is determined by their telegenicity (to coin a phrase).
Ever since Kennedy chose to wear make-up and Nixon didn't we have been doomed to elect the guy (or gal) that just seems to "portray themself better."
Look at Reagan.
And Bush Sr. (vs. Dukakis in the tank with the helmet)
And Clinton
And even Bush Jr. for all of his verbal gaffes seemed more human than the robotic and monotone Gore.
And so, we get what we vote for don't we?
All image. No substance.
All spin. All the time.
Where's the beef?
Re: Condi Vs Hillary
Hillary's worst nightmare:
1. Cheney resigns for health reasons and Condi Rice goes on the ticket in November. This would also be Kerry's worst nightmare.
2. Bush / Cheney are re-elected in November, Cheney resigns before the inauguration, and Condi Rice is appointed to replace him.
Dare I hope?
Emerson Bigguns said:
Hillary's worst nightmare:
1. Cheney resigns for health reasons and Condi Rice goes on the ticket in November. This would also be Kerry's worst nightmare.
2. Bush / Cheney are re-elected in November, Cheney resigns before the inauguration, and Condi Rice is appointed to replace him.
Dare I hope?
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Snakum said:She'd teach you proper grammar.
She's a bagger, but I'd hit it ... and I'd vote for her over Hillary any day. Hillary Clinton gives me the heebie-jeebies.
Minh
I haven't decided if Condi's a bagger or not, but Hillary is definitely an Oklahoma two bagger. One for her, and one for you in case her's rips off.
Man, I need to stop spending time on the computer.
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