compass

[xjhawk]

so whats the deal, i thought it was like dead in the water, but some say they will be recalling their pilots into compass? whats the deal, rumors are welcome......just want to know the deal~

 

[accinelli]

Am sure you'll get a real good idea when you state that -- Rumors are welcome.

I heard that COMPAS will be staffed by recalled DAL pilots (you know -- in preparation for the merger).

 

[skiandsurf]

so whats the deal, i thought it was like dead in the water, but some say they will be recalling their pilots into compass? whats the deal, rumors are welcome......just want to know the deal~

I thought Compass was a "new" airline. Do they already have guys on furlough?

 

[pipe]

I thought Compass was a "new" airline. Do they already have guys on furlough?

That's a great idea! I'm going to start an airline and hire straight to furlough.

I get the management resume nicely padded while my "pilots" can play the sympathy factor as they interview elsewhere.

And the real beauty? My profitability will be in the 90th percentile (as long as I stay away from airplanes).

Pipe

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Compass is to be operated in house. It's acxtually a C or D scale pay operated at the mainline. It won;t have the MAIR/PNCL GO overhead. It's basically a mainline operation with pilots under a different contract and they lack scope. The operational costs are very low. Also Compass has over 100 aircraft on order jets and turboprops. The SJET covers regional jets and not turboprops. The Q400 is a 70 seat turboprop.

 

[Schwanker]

Compass is to be operated in house. It's acxtually a C or D scale pay operated at the mainline. It won;t have the MAIR/PNCL GO overhead. It's basically a mainline operation with pilots under a different contract and they lack scope. The operational costs are very low. Also Compass has over 100 aircraft on order jets and turboprops. The SJET covers regional jets and not turboprops. The Q400 is a 70 seat turboprop.

News to me: Care to share some info on these 100 aircraft? I don't doubt some are on order, there just hasn't been any public release on any of this. Also, you sure the Q400s are going to Compass? Afterall, there is no scope limit on the turboprops in NWA's contract.

 

[AZ Typed]

I thought Compass was a "new" airline. Do they already have guys on furlough?

Yes - they have about 1800 INDEPENDENCE AIR pilots on furlough.

...fire away...

 

[Occam's Razor]

Compass is to be operated in house.

Nope. It's a separate operating certificate. Nice guess though!

It's acxtually a C or D scale pay operated at the mainline.

Nope. It's a separate airline that will operate much as PCL did while it was wholly-owned by NWA, Inc. At some point it will be sold (as PCL was) and the profit will go to the mainline, and most certainly, the reorganization investors.

It won;t have the MAIR/PNCL GO overhead. It's basically a mainline operation with pilots under a different contract and they lack scope.

Ok, now you're really off the chart. It will be operated by pilots hired to fly for Compass. It will be separate contract, with some elements of it set by the recently-ratified NWA pilots agreement...namely: The pay rates and access to Compass for furloughed NWA mainline pilots. Read that part carefully! The only pilots who have a contractual right to fly for Compass are currently-furloughed NWA pilots. They can hire directly into captain seats at Compass.

Since NWA is recalling pilots right now, the odds of any currently-furloughed NWA pilots taking a job with Compass are pretty slim, but the provision was negotiated by ALPA in case any furloughed pilots were interested.

The operational costs are very low. Also Compass has over 100 aircraft on order jets and turboprops. The SJET covers regional jets and not turboprops. The Q400 is a 70 seat turboprop.

True.
Prove it.
True.
True.

 

[Diesel-9]

My guess is they will have up to 24 76 seaters in a few years. Feed the new 5-7 cities (BDL)+ that will have non-stops to Europe with the 757 and -330's. Will have a few furloughed NWA pilots in the left seat and new hires in the right seat.

 

[NuGuy]

Since NWA is recalling pilots right now...

Slight correction to Occam's otherwise correct info: NWA is ATTEMPTING to recall pilots right now. Only about 10 percent of the pilots are accepting recall. Everyone else is defering, going on mil leave or just out and out quitting.

On a more humorous note, the monthly bid for October has cause quite a stir...it seems that, gee, there are not enough pilots to fly the schedule, and with the new "zero-open-time" contract, gosh, even senior pilots are being forced to fly. Only now that it affects senior pilots (oh my!), is there any kind of outcry. What a bummer that the people who voted "yes" are now forced to taste what they baked.

Nu

 

[bertengineer]

Props????? Yeah Right!

What grape vine have you people been crawling up to think that Compass will fly Props?

Let the RUMOR Mill begin

 

[XJohXJ]

Props = profit!

 

[Blade Runner]

My guess is they will have up to 24 76 seaters in a few years. Feed the new 5-7 cities (BDL)+ that will have non-stops to Europe with the 757 and -330's. Will have a few furloughed NWA pilots in the left seat and new hires in the right seat.

With XJ's sorry excuse for a SLT threatening to liquadate within 2-6 weeks, look for NWA management to hire XJ pilots off the street if and when XJ goes under. Average AVRO Captain has over 15 years with XJ, if they accept they then will be working for Compass at first year salaries.
Tell me this wasn't planned at the highest level of NWA management.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

With XJ's sorry excuse for a SLT threatening to liquadate within 2-6 weeks, look for NWA management to hire XJ pilots off the street if and when XJ goes under. Average AVRO Captain has over 15 years with XJ, if they accept they then will be working for Compass at first year salaries.
Tell me this wasn't planned at the highest level of NWA management.

I don't think that just because you flew for the Red Tail system, you will get a job at Compass, NWA is such that it will probably be a bad thing that you flew for XJ or PCL, because you already know the BS that you will be facing.
I'll go even further, just because of all the resistance that we are giving them on our talks and your BK process recent victory, I wouldn't put it pass them that as retaliation no interviews would be granted to ANY PCL, XJ pilot.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Nope. It's a separate operating certificate. Nice guess though!



Nope. It's a separate airline that will operate much as PCL did while it was wholly-owned by NWA, Inc. At some point it will be sold (as PCL was) and the profit will go to the mainline, and most certainly, the reorganization investors.



Ok, now you're really off the chart. It will be operated by pilots hired to fly for Compass. It will be separate contract, with some elements of it set by the recently-ratified NWA pilots agreement...namely: The pay rates and access to Compass for furloughed NWA mainline pilots. Read that part carefully! The only pilots who have a contractual right to fly for Compass are currently-furloughed NWA pilots. They can hire directly into captain seats at Compass.

Since NWA is recalling pilots right now, the odds of any currently-furloughed NWA pilots taking a job with Compass are pretty slim, but the provision was negotiated by ALPA in case any furloughed pilots were interested.



True.
Prove it.
True.
True.

He said he wanted rumors.

 

[viking737]

Slight correction to Occam's otherwise correct info: NWA is ATTEMPTING to recall pilots right now. Only about 10 percent of the pilots are accepting recall. Everyone else is defering, going on mil leave or just out and out quitting.

On a more humorous note, the monthly bid for October has cause quite a stir...it seems that, gee, there are not enough pilots to fly the schedule, and with the new "zero-open-time" contract, gosh, even senior pilots are being forced to fly. Only now that it affects senior pilots (oh my!), is there any kind of outcry. What a bummer that the people who voted "yes" are now forced to taste what they baked.

Nu

What is the new "zero open time contract"? PBS?
How does it force senior pilots to fly? Can't drop a trip to open time?
Just curious. We (AA pilots) are being told by mgmt all the time how we
are the least productive pilots around...

 

[YourPilotFriend]

What is the new "zero open time contract"? PBS?
How does it force senior pilots to fly? Can't drop a trip to open time?
Just curious. We (AA pilots) are being told by mgmt all the time how we
are the least productive pilots around...

NWa mailine attrition rate is very high with FO's leaving for other careers. Now they have to bring the DC-9's back from the desert to fill in expansion flying and cover for the Avro's. If the equity gets dumped into the DC most of the seniority list will retire and look for other jobs. It's really a staffing nightmare right now. NWA has already started the ball rolling and will be doing street interviews soon. Caution: if NWA mergers compass now has a large staff.

 

[Dennis Miller]

NWA has already started the ball rolling and will be doing street interviews soon.

What? You mean they are going to start with the Homeless first?

 

[flyin4jsus]

Compass is going to be just another Mid Atlantic Airways. Us Airways gave Republic the option of buying those E-170's.

 

[FlyingFarmer]

"Compass is going to be just another Mid Atlantic Airways! "

How refreshing, a sign of intelligence on a NWA thread.

 

[xjhawk]

ha, this is great! i love these rumors, it keeps my mind fresh and makes me think of more career options. I like to keep all my options open. lets see, its sort of like a messed up Saab QRH

Do you still have a job at XJ?

yes. stay put if you are a senior capt or a FO who cannot take a 19 an hour job at skywest because of house payment or whatever and do not accept a below industry contract.

Have XJ officially shut the doors because of liquidation?
yes, proceed to home depot and try to get a job to replace your salary you currently make at XJ and enjoy your evenings at home.

Caution: Keep in mind that NWA is experiencing staffing problems and their flights are very full or even over booked. How would NWA replace 8-10 avros and 49 Saabs and all the routes they fly if XJ liquidates? Imagine all those small cities without any service, or even more funny imagine a DC 9 going to a city to pick up 17-34 people. I imagine a CRJ would end up picking up those routes, but then whats taking those routes? remember NWA is experiencing staffing problems! As directed pull all your circuit breakers and close your eyes....this should get interesting