Hello,
Since when is it reasonable to refer to someone as a "scab", if they are not a member of a union? Specifically, in a right-to-work state. My mother-in-law is a career postal employee and not a member of the union nor are some of her co-workers. In fact, she is entitled to union representation in any greivance issues. Of course, the union is not going to be as "enthusiastic" in their support. Still doesn't make her a scab.
The use of coercision by union leadership in trade unions is as old as laborers have been organized, AND it's illegal! In my obervation of union activity in US industry, I'm hard-pressed to see what they have really done for the American worker in the past 25 years? Take a look and see where all those high paying (overpaying) manufacturing jobs have gone. One place, off-shore to places like Mexico, China and Indonesia.
ALPA is a "rice bowl" operation thru and thru...If any of you think for one second that their leadership really cares about the pilot profession and devlopment of a logical pilot career path. Well, you are kidding yourselves. If they did it would have been the cornerstone of contract negotiations. However, the crux of most airline pilot group negotiations is comparing what they make against another pilot group's contract. That is sheer lunacy and no wonder the majors are going broke. They would be going broke even with 9-11 never occuring. Simply look back at the history of airline union negotiations. One word...GREED
Another intersting paradox is the demographics of ALPA and other pilot union groups (UPS, AA). About 1/2 are former military, most of hte remainder are college educated. What political party do these folks traditionally vote? You guessed correctly, Republican.
Look, I'm a pilot, I'm college educated and I served in the military (enlisted). And I flew as a flight crewmember in the military. Pilots are and always have been the biggest group of self-centered whining prima donnas that they were when Orville and Wilbur flipped for who gets to go first!
I get so fed up with the lifestyle crap, days off, commuting ot and from work issues that pilots whine about. Well, tell you what. If you don't freaking like it, and simply want to chase the panacea of airline pilot wealth, time-off, etc...GET A REAL JOB! What the heck do you think that every other college educated person does when they commence their first job? They WORK on salary!!!! What a concept! You mean, I work 50-60 hours per week and have to go above and beyond to be recognized and promoted? Face it, being a pilot is over glorified blue collar work. And the attitudes that come with it are rife amongst the rank and file. As long as that mindset continues, the pilot profession is going to implode upon itself as management snickers at it's whining cry babies that are a necessary evil.
Don't get me wrong I HIGHLY respect the experience, training and skill of professional pilots. I have since I was knee high to a grasshopper and watched my Dad in his USAF career as a pilot. We've simply lost sight of the big picture and even more amazingly in the post 9-11 world it appeas to me that little changed for very long.
Fed up,
Ex-Navy rotorhead
Since when is it reasonable to refer to someone as a "scab", if they are not a member of a union? Specifically, in a right-to-work state. My mother-in-law is a career postal employee and not a member of the union nor are some of her co-workers. In fact, she is entitled to union representation in any greivance issues. Of course, the union is not going to be as "enthusiastic" in their support. Still doesn't make her a scab.
The use of coercision by union leadership in trade unions is as old as laborers have been organized, AND it's illegal! In my obervation of union activity in US industry, I'm hard-pressed to see what they have really done for the American worker in the past 25 years? Take a look and see where all those high paying (overpaying) manufacturing jobs have gone. One place, off-shore to places like Mexico, China and Indonesia.
ALPA is a "rice bowl" operation thru and thru...If any of you think for one second that their leadership really cares about the pilot profession and devlopment of a logical pilot career path. Well, you are kidding yourselves. If they did it would have been the cornerstone of contract negotiations. However, the crux of most airline pilot group negotiations is comparing what they make against another pilot group's contract. That is sheer lunacy and no wonder the majors are going broke. They would be going broke even with 9-11 never occuring. Simply look back at the history of airline union negotiations. One word...GREED
Another intersting paradox is the demographics of ALPA and other pilot union groups (UPS, AA). About 1/2 are former military, most of hte remainder are college educated. What political party do these folks traditionally vote? You guessed correctly, Republican.
Look, I'm a pilot, I'm college educated and I served in the military (enlisted). And I flew as a flight crewmember in the military. Pilots are and always have been the biggest group of self-centered whining prima donnas that they were when Orville and Wilbur flipped for who gets to go first!
I get so fed up with the lifestyle crap, days off, commuting ot and from work issues that pilots whine about. Well, tell you what. If you don't freaking like it, and simply want to chase the panacea of airline pilot wealth, time-off, etc...GET A REAL JOB! What the heck do you think that every other college educated person does when they commence their first job? They WORK on salary!!!! What a concept! You mean, I work 50-60 hours per week and have to go above and beyond to be recognized and promoted? Face it, being a pilot is over glorified blue collar work. And the attitudes that come with it are rife amongst the rank and file. As long as that mindset continues, the pilot profession is going to implode upon itself as management snickers at it's whining cry babies that are a necessary evil.
Don't get me wrong I HIGHLY respect the experience, training and skill of professional pilots. I have since I was knee high to a grasshopper and watched my Dad in his USAF career as a pilot. We've simply lost sight of the big picture and even more amazingly in the post 9-11 world it appeas to me that little changed for very long.
Fed up,
Ex-Navy rotorhead
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