Commercial reqmt's - Dual X-Cntry

alvin

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Looking for some insight.. I was working on my paperwork and going through my log book for commercial check ride and I did not have a "dual" cross country at night over 100 miles. I had many solo PIC that met this requirement. Now $300 poorer i can say I have it in my book.

What is the logic on the dual cross countries for Commercial. I can see the long solo flight, but why dual time.??
 
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It diesn't matter if there's a logic behind it or not. It's in the FARs and you have to do it to get your commercial, so suck it up.

Good luck!!
 

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The logic escapes you because you are thinking in the usual routine of a newly minted Private continuing on to Commercial; but think of a pilot who got his Private 5 or 10 years ago, and has only flown local since then, or the pilot who flys highways only or GPS only or radar vectors only...these guys need a brush up on proper preflight planning and navigation.

Remember the pilots who flew over the Capitol building???
 

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Perhaps with a different instructor and a different attitude you may have learned something and thus realized the value of having the extra instruction.

later
 

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I know that the reason for the long solo commercial xc is to meet ICAO requirements. Maybe the extra duals are for the same reason.
 

Tailwind

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Also...

Don't forget...it's not just a night VFR flight for 100nm...it also has to be at least 2 hours long. Ditto for the day VFR 100nm X/C. I know in most 172's it will take you that long just to go out 100nm and back, but some planes can do it much faster.
 

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Tailwind said:
I know in most 172's it will take you that long just to go out 100nm and back
...just to clarify, the 100nm figure is a TOTAL figure, not 100nm from departure point. You can go out 50nm and return as long as it takes 2 hours.
 

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nosehair said:
...just to clarify, the 100nm figure is a TOTAL figure, not 100nm from departure point. You can go out 50nm and return as long as it takes 2 hours.
The way I interpret the reg, no. They have to be 100nm straight line distance.

Reference § 61.129(a)(3) (iii) and (iv) :
(iii) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a single-engine airplane in day VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure;

(iv) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a single-engine airplane in night VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure;
 

alvin

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Thanks.. I forget all the differernt background situations that people can bring.


I did the x-cnty 120 nm out to first point, came back with a mid way point. 2.4 Hrs. SO I'm sure I satisified all.


Hope to get checkride scheduled in next couple of weeks.
 

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lowlycfi said:
The way I interpret the reg, no. They have to be 100nm straight line distance.
...oops! You're right. My bad. I was thinkin' of the private night dual xc. That's what I get for thinkin'. :(
 

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nosehair said:
...oops! You're right. My bad. I was thinkin' of the private night dual xc. That's what I get for thinkin'. :(
I hear ya. It gets hard to keep all of these requirements straight sometimes!
 
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