Commercial Pilot Apathy: Wake up!

[bramafear]

Doo Daa. Where is my Prairie Dog?

The airlines do not sit down quarterly and decide capacity and pricing. Sure there are market leaders that set price, but it doesn't take much to get prices to move. Spend some time with an airline pricing analyst sometime. The work these guys do make arbs look simple.

Bart, you nailed it on the head! SIMPLE! Moth-ball strategic elements of the fleet, which I believe they have been doing already in order to control maintenance costs, and shrink the capacity. What's the effect on produce prices when there has been a freeze provided by nature?

As a consumer you dictate the market. Companies know this. No matter how many mergers and acquisitions take place people are not going to sit back and take it up the…
If ticket prices become obscene I won’t fly and I’m sure many people will do the same.
P.s—I don’t think you can compare OPEC with the airline industry. A bit different situation.

True, not today, but it is coming via consolidation and new leadership How much can you do about current fuel prices in California hovering around $2.50 a gallon? How about this.... do you think OPEC has any influence on the airline industry?

This is an example of that kind of leadership I foresee:
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/TheFormula-1007723/preview.php

The Formula (1980)
During World War II, a German general had in his possession a valuable formula for synthetic fuel. He was kidnapped by U.S. major Robin Clarke, who stole the secret. Decades later, Clarke is murdered, and the documents that contain the formula disappear once again. Caine (George C. Scott) sets out to solve the murder and find the missing papers. During his investigation, Caine discovers that his buddy engaged in numerous underhanded activities and that the people he questions develop a strange habit of dying violently. In his struggles to unearth the truth, Caine comes face-to-face with powerful oil magnate Adam Steiffel (Marlon Brando), who will stop at nothing to keep the top-secret formula hidden.

Do you expect Smirky Twirp to help out or provide solutions and deliver them to this industry?

As far as new additions to the Charmin list. Nobody has been rude enough at this time.

Sorry, BankAccount=0$ & Typhoon1244, I found your contribution amusing

 

[bart]

Moth-ball strategic elements of the fleet

Brama,

That really sounds good, so follow it up and give us the details behind this vague statement.

Start with answering these simple questions:

What "strategic elements"? Be specific, exactly what, aircraft? Their numbers, type and the companies that have "mothballed" them.

Where are they?

Why would airlines pursue the strategy of reducing capacity below demand? Again, please be specific and cite some facts here.

I for one have chosen not to take you seriously. You sound like a truck driver that stumbled across an old copy of Forbes and are now the strategic business expert.

Show us now that your not by taking just one idea of yours and making a rational argument, grounded in facts.

 

[T-Gates]

WTF????

Reading this thread was 10 minutes of my life that I will never get back.

Bramafear.... You are on my $hit list! But something tells me you'll probaly choke yourself with a cordless phone before I get the chance to do anything about it.

 

[bramafear]

Back to Bartville

What "strategic elements"? Be specific, exactly what, aircraft? Their numbers, type and the companies that have "mothballed" them.

Strategic Elements=a mixture of good/fair/bad routes. It's all about routes. Hopefully, the major airline mgmt team have invested by now in SAS tools to identify their routes, clearly. SeaLand's CFO did, but it was too late for them to use the benefits. SeaLand is no more and that was a large US company. I believe Senator Hollings of NC said in his speech on the Senate floor in Feb 2004 that the US has gotten out of the Merchant Marine business for some unknown reason, even to him. Scary beginnings in my book.

Identify paid off aircraft assets from the SE equation and mothball them to reduce cost and drive up the value of existing capacity. Other major airlines will follow --- nobody wants to be the one to take that first step. Economics 101: supply and demand.

Evidence, you look for it online. I seen articles on this issue over the past 2 years.

I for one have chosen not to take you seriously. You sound like a truck driver that stumbled across an old copy of Forbes and are now the strategic business expert.

Bart, you must be a Republican working for the Whitehouse. We understand very well how they accept differing opinions from others in the world

Shine your shoes, Bart. Bush on the way out

 

[bramafear]

Truck Drivers?

I for one have chosen not to take you seriously. You sound like a truck driver that stumbled across an old copy of Forbes and are now the strategic business expert.

Show us now that your not by taking just one idea of yours and making a rational argument, grounded in facts.

Bart, that is funny you mentioned that. I feel the same way about others like you on this board. I have had a great deal of experience conversing with truck drivers of all kinds. Most are whiners and lazy with no ambition, but the others can weave some very interesting stories and lifestyles that ring like old western movies.

So, Bart, which are you? The lazy whiner or the one that weaves interesting stories?

Rational facts? Ghee, lets see some from you? I'm game for tennis. You're serve

 

[bart]

Hopefully, the major airline mgmt team have invested by now in SAS tools to identify their routes, clearly.

That says it all.

You are an idiot...

 

[bramafear]

That's All?

That says it all.

You are an idiot...

As one VP to another, to measure and respond to ROI makes no sense to you?

Time, time, time... just wait for the barbarians like Merrill Lynch and other assorted stakeholders to come barging down your office door. Is that a wood or aluminum door you have?

 

[ThomasR]

... Wake up!

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Interesting.... now lets throw into the mix outsourcing. ..........

If you are in sales, senior executive mgmt ( and not snore during boardroom meetings), or a executive administrative assistant ( secretary), you should be safe until retirement.

The name of the game in big business is one thing: marketshare domination. Look for more mergers in the airline industry on the horizon....'cause they desperately need to control the price and the only way to do that is control the capacity. Case in point:
What's the purpose of OPEC?
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Bramafear,

Corporate limits would have to be both revenue as well as operating assets. IRS could eliminate private taxes with the increased revenues generated by the expansion in small business activities. If corporate giants moth-ball viable assets to justify price increases I think it might show up by an increase in "First Class" accommodations in an existing fleet and a decrease in "coach fares." First class reservations are generally carried by corporate sponsored travel expenses recognized as "part of doing business" on the balance sheet.

 

[averyrm]

The pencil juice fell up the store! You can't have yellow without paying for it, WAKE UP! The CEO's of the STBN's are going to LMNOP your LQD!!

Take car parts for example, they with cats on parade! If I go to the store, does it not yes not going to make penis envy?

It's simple, why don't we make them PAY US? Isn't that easy? We deserve the flute because we make the wine! They SDB'd the levers on the industry YESTERDAY.




I couldn't argue with his "logic", so I tried some of my own...

 

[bart]

Very well put.

Only you forgot that if they reduce shelf capacity, we could just eat pancakes without syrup...

 

[SenorSpielbergo]

"The pencil juice fell up the store! You can't have yellow without paying for it, WAKE UP! The CEO's of the STBN's are going to LMNOP your LQD!!

Take car parts for example, they with cats on parade! If I go to the store, does it not yes not going to make penis envy?

It's simple, why don't we make them PAY US? Isn't that easy? We deserve the flute because we make the wine! They SDB'd the levers on the industry YESTERDAY.




I couldn't argue with his "logic", so I tried some of my own..."

Exactly. Brama's posts remind me of the sketch Damon Wayans used to do on "In Living Color" where he would spout off all kinds of big words in a context that made no sense. I'll do my best to remember: "...and forth with, we must proselytize the angina...oh, excuse me... vagina, until the full ramification of the colostomy is recognized."

 

[Typhoon1244]

...if they reduce shelf capacity, we could just eat pancakes without syrup...

Yeah we could eat those pancakes, but we couldn't have them too.

Remember, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make a silk purse out of a pig in a poke.

 

[bart]

Remember, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make a silk purse out of a pig in a poke.

But if the horse could swim a furlong, bacon would taste good with pancakes, whether he drank or not.

 

[CitationCapt]

Whaaaa?

Skyboss, is that you again?

Mark, is Brahma's IP address the same as Skyboss?


T-Gates- love that avatar

CC

 

[KingAirKiddo]

Could somebody please tell me what the h#ll is going on here?!?!

 

[bart]

The horse is apathetic about the water as are pilots about juice stocks at the drug store that has bacon AND syrup. So if you could strategically boycott the unassigned routes, then the cats could have all the auto parts they need for pencils.

 

[Dubya]

What kind of BBQ sauce goes good with cat?

I think my bacon needs more lead.

W

 

[Jmmccutc]

*drip, drip, drip* <------- that's the drool hitting my desk, i feel like my brain had been fried...oh wait...not mine, brama's, his is the one that's fried...

 

[Typhoon1244]

What is a "Brama" anyway? Is it like a Brahma bull? Or is it a gross misspelling of 'Bama...as in Alabama?

Or is there not that much logic to it?

 

[empenage]

I gave 50 bucks to this board last Christmas....

I want my money back!

 

[bramafear]

At Least Somebody has their Eye on the Ball...

quote
______________________
Interesting.... now lets throw into the mix outsourcing. ..........

If you are in sales, senior executive mgmt ( and not snore during boardroom meetings), or a executive administrative assistant ( secretary), you should be safe until retirement.

The name of the game in big business is one thing: marketshare domination. Look for more mergers in the airline industry on the horizon....'cause they desperately need to control the price and the only way to do that is control the capacity. Case in point:
What's the purpose of OPEC?
____________________________
Bramafear,

Corporate limits would have to be both revenue as well as operating assets. IRS could eliminate private taxes with the increased revenues generated by the expansion in small business activities. If corporate giants moth-ball viable assets to justify price increases I think it might show up by an increase in "First Class" accommodations in an existing fleet and a decrease in "coach fares." First class reservations are generally carried by corporate sponsored travel expenses recognized as "part of doing business" on the balance sheet.

Right on all points, Thomas. But we must go beyond conventional thinking, First Class that is. The airline industry needs to re-invent itself from it's humble beginnings or it will be a case of consolidation and depressed wages for pilots and crew.

If you look at the wide spectrum of public transportation, where could the airline industry find a new niche? Nasa's working on one of them, but what about domestically and shorter international routes? Flying casinoes, maybe?

How about some ideas... beyond the flight deck of boredom & monotony.

 

[rumpletumbler]

I just want to be able to say "AAAAALLLLLLLL AAABOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAARRRRRRRRD! to start boarding. If they put that in place all will be right again.

 

[enigma]

Did ya'll hear about the three bulls standing on top of a knoll in the pasture? I think that they may have been brama's.

Anyway, the three were surveying their world when they spied a cattle trailer approaching. The heard a bellow come from the trailer that had to belong to another bull. Well the implications just pissed our three heros off. Before they even saw the contents of the trailer, they started talking trash. The big boss bull said, "I'll kick his scrawny behind all the way back to where come from if he tries to scam any of my heifers", the middle sized bull said, "I'm right there with you boss, I'll kick whatever arse he's got left when you finish with him". The runt bull, knowing that the newcomer would be all but finished off before the runts turn came to confront, said, "All I'll have to do is just put my nose down, my tail up and give him a great big beller. I'll scare him back where he come from". Pleased with their obvious superiority, the three bramas proceeded to watch the new guy get unloaded.

Well, when the new guys hind quarters emerged from the trailer, they started to get worried. By the time his entire body was visible the big boss brama had already started to crawfish. Men, that was the biggest, baddest piece of beef ever seen in the pasture.

Our three hero's stood there in awe. The (previous) big boss brama spoke up first. He said, "You know boys, maybe I've got too many heifers to cover. I'm getting a little too old to service all of em, so I guess that maybe I'll just go ahead and give the new guy a few of mine". The middle sized bull, shook his head and said, "Well, I guess that I might be well advised to let the new guy have his pick of my heifers".

At that point our runt bull started bellowing/blowing/roaring/spitting/snotting and pawing the ground as he charge the new guy with his nose to the ground and his tail held high.

Astonished, his two larger compadries, chased him down, headed him off and asked him, "Runt, what the heck are you thinking, that bull'll tear your head off, just give him your three heifers and be done with it. You can't fight with him!!!!!!!!!!"

The poor runt said, "fight with him?, fight with him?, I'm not trying to keep my herd, heck I just want him to know that I'm a bull!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wonder if those three ended up on a spit somewhere?

BTW, if so, they would have been best prepared by Clem Mikeska at Clems Famous BBQ in Temple Texas.

What was that fear guy talking about, I can't seem to remember?

enigma

 

[ThomasR]

Flying casino's, that is a great idea. Someone has been living outside the box. Now that you have opened the window into the Twilight Zone in air travel I bet we could find alot of exciting activities we could be doing aboard a floating cruise ship:

1. Mile High Club; Massage, Yoga and Aroma Therapy
2. Dinner and Dancing with Live Entertainment
3. Office Space complete with a Steno Pool
4. Childrens Play Room and Video Games
5. Neighborhood Coffee/Chat Room
6. Live Theater or Movie House [with popcorn]

I expect the list would be endless and the safety board would scream like a wounded moose. I like it.

Even short flights could offer more than a pillow.

New ideas are most always met with long winded retort which can be considered a compliment since the scenario is common place and often leads to more imaginative avenues in retrospect.

 

[LAXSaabdude]

This thread wouldn't be complete without Beck's "Loser":

Lyrics:
In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey
Butane in my veins so i'm out to cut the junkie
With the plastic eyeballs spray paint the vegetables
Dog food stalls with the beefcake pantyhose

Kill the headlights and put it in neutral
Stock car flamin' with a loser and the cruise control
Baby's in Reno with the vitamin D

Got a couple of couches sleep on the love seat
Someone keeps sayin' I'm insane to complain
About a shotgun wedding and a stain on my shirt
Don't believe everything that you breathe
You get a parking violation and a maggot on your sleeve

So shave your face with some mace in the dark
Savin' all your food stamps and burnin' down the trailer park

Yo cut it

Soy un perdedor
I'm a loser baby so why don't you kill me

Double-barrel buckshot

Soy un perdedor
I'm a loser baby so why don't you kill me

Forces of evil in a bozo nightmare
Banned all the music with a phony gas chamber
'Cause one's got a weasel and the other's got a flag
One's got on the pole shove the other in a bag
With the rerun shows and the cocaine nose job
The daytime crap with the folksinger slop
He hung himself with a guitar string
Slap the turkey neck and it's hangin' on a pigeon wing
You can't write if you can't relate
Trade the cash for the beef for the body for the hate
And my time is a piece of wax fallin' on a termite
Who's chokin' on the splinters

Soy un perdedor
I'm a loser baby so why don't you kill me

Get crazy with the cheeze whiz

Soy un perdedor
I'm a loser baby so why don't you kill me

Drive-by body pierce

Yo bring it on down

Soooooooyy

I'm a driver I'm a winner things are gonna change I can feel it

Soy un perdedor
I'm a loser baby so why don't you kill me

I can't believe you

Soy un perdedor
I'm a loser baby so why don't you kill me

Soy un perdedor
I'm a loser baby so why don't you kill me

Sprechen sie Deutches, baby

Soy un perdedor
I'm a loser baby so why don't you kill me

Know what I'm sayin'

 

[ThomasR]

This thread wouldn't be complete without Beck's "Loser":.................................
Sprechen sie Deutches, baby
Soy un perdedor
I'm a loser baby so why don't you kill me
Know what I'm sayin'

I do in deed know what you are saying Mr. LAXSaabdude; I know, as well, what Mr. Bramafear is saying. America was built by losers. ?Habla usted inglés? If you want everybody to be a straight laced conservative go back to England. If you want everyone to be redicent of the obvious go back to Germany. You want a weflare state go back to Africa. Want to be a criminal go back to Australia. You want to live under the radar go back to Mexico. You think pornography is healthy go back to France. You think the government should put sensors up your butt go back to Russia. You still believe in slavery go back to China.

But if you are a crazed out lunatic with obscure religious beliefs, stay right where you are.

No esperanza,
No salvador,
No esperanz vida!

Viva la différence!

 

[crash-proof]

This is the most deranged thread ever, hope it never gets deleted for some reason.

Excuse me while I put some storm shutters on the windows, Francis is comin a knockin! (i be in FLL)