Comm rating questions

[Pilotadjuster]

suggestion

Suggestion also--I know I haven't worried about getting my multi yet because its hard enough to find a job flying commercial single with low time, let alone multi. Put it off because of $ of course and because I'd want the multi time to be "fresh" when I look for a job.

If you are going to get your CFI as well, I'd suggest working on right seat stuff and doing your flight requirements for the CFI while building those 60 hours to 250 total (flight requirements regarding "log ground and flight training" - depending upon the FSDO, they want that very specifically logged, as far as instructional training goes). Chances are very good you won't need 60 hours to become proficient in commercial maneuvers. If you can talk through the instruction of commercial maneuvers, actually performing them on your checkride will be a piece of cake!

Id echo what Timebuilder said about the manuevers being challenging as well as fun to practice....

Good Luck!

 

[Eagle]

"if you get your multi commercial first, you WILL have to perform the commercial maneuvers - Chandelles, Lazy 8s, etc.

I Also wanted to chime in, you will NOT do the 8's and chandels etc in a multi.

I have my multi comml/inst and do NOT have my single eng comml.

 

[Timebuilder]

Back when I was working on my instrument rating, I asked about doing Chandelles in a twin. I wish I'd had a camera to capture the look on the guy's face.

No, there are no "commercial maneuvers" for multi like the single commercial requires.

Now Bob Hoover can probably do ALL of them.....

..or at least he used to...

 

[bobbysamd]

Initial CFI

Although initial Commercial certification in the single is cheaper, I like the idea of getting your initial Commercial in the multi, and then earning your initial CFI (MEI) and II in that airplane. Good way to really get a lot of bang for your multi buck. Isn't that what All-ATPs does?

Initial CFI is tough, any way you do it, because you have to know the FOI cold. After that, MEI shouldn't be that bad because you will be fresh on the maneuvers and fresh on the systems. Chances are, you will have to draw the multi systems on your Commercial ride. You will have to do the same for your MEI. You will also be fresh on instruments, so doing the II makes sense. You probably can knock off all three on the same practical. Then, later, find a 172 and do your CFI-A. The examiner should not demand that you use a complex/high-performance single because you already demonstrated that on your CFI-MEI ride.

Interesting about no more drag demo requirement. If I went back to instructing, I would probably at least introduce it to my students. It's a good aspect of their multi education. Same reasoning for eights-around for the Commercial single.

Good discussion.

 

[Eagle]

All ATP will not give you a multi comm unless you have your single comm already.

atleast not here in NJ

 

[bigD]

The drag demo is done for the Private ME ticket, while it's replaced with a Vmc demo for the Commercial ME. Otherwise the rides are the same.

 

[bigD]

I should clarify that my above post refers to the Multi add-on checkrides. Dunno about the initial.

 

[Mickey]

I think it is cheaper to do your commercial in a single. The cross countries would get expensive in the twin. After you get your se comm. the multi add on has only a three hour dual requirement. The three hours would be taken care of easily while shooting approaches and reviewing the other items that will be on the check ride.

 

[bobbysamd]

Vmc Demo

You still have Vmc Demo for both, i.e. Engine Inoperative Loss of Control Demonstration. It is under Area of Operation X, Task C for the Private, and Area of Operation VIII, Task C for the Commercial in their respective PTSs.

Apparently there is no more drag demo for either Private or Commercial Multi.

I pulled my PTS references off of http://afs600.faa.gov/search.asp?my...ub=630&lev=Amn&title=Practical+Test+Standards .

I still think the drag demo is worthwhile to demonstrate at least once during the course.

 

[bigD]

Well dagnabbit bobby, you are right! I verified it myself just now. Did it ever use to be the way that I mentioned? I swear I had a conversation with a Private ME student last month about the differences in our checkrides, and this very thing was mentioned. I even walked him through the process I use for the Vmc demo. I must be dreaming. The DE owns the flight school, but there's no way they're misinterpreting the PTS - the drag demo isn't even mentioned. Hmmmm....

Heh - it's been awhile since I've looked through the Private PTS!