Comair's contract re-opening?

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Any Comair guys got the details of why management wants to re-open your contract (and why your MEC is polling members on it)?

 

[Anaconda]

haven't heard a thing about this and haven't been polled for anything...just sat in on recurrent with the mec chair and nothing of this nature was brought up...where did you get your info?

 

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Check your code a phone.

 

[DDpaysoff]

The company has asked for concessions. The comair pilot group will only give a little to get a little. CO is not asking for much, but they will probably not get anything as the comair pilot group has leverage because at least the belief is in place that Comair is very profitable right not. BTW, ACA is only a rumor, nothing solid, it is all based on whether or not they can agree w/ UAL. In the event, that there is no agreement and ACA goes on their own the Do Jets would be up for grabs. I have two solid sources, really no news coming soon.

 

[General Lee]

I knew it. Of course, this is all our fault at mainline. We have a standing offer to the company---they just have to give us a two year contract extension, and they can have some cash now----it's like one of those commercials on TV----"Need Cash? Do you have a job and a checking account? You can have money in your bank account tomorrow morning, Just CALL!!" I actually did hear that they might be talking right now. Who knows?

Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[j41driver]

BTW, ACA is only a rumor, nothing solid, it is all based on whether or not they can agree w/ UAL. In the event, that there is no agreement and ACA goes on their own the Do Jets would be up for grabs.

Where did you get the information that ACA going on it's our own is only a rumor?? You should check your sources.

 

[ACE]

Almost all the Comair pilots knew this was coming. We are going to listen to what management has to say. However, a good majority of the Comair pilots don't trust our management. The feeling in CVG right now is H E L L NO! to concessions. We fought to hard for what we have. We will not fund the Delta pilot's pension plan. It will be interesting to see what management has to say.....stay tuned.

 

[DDpaysoff]

Where did you get the information that ACA going on it's our own is only a rumor?? You should check your sources.

LOL, the rumor I was discussing was the DO jets going to comair. I heard that rumor that ACA and UAL were not going to agree probably before you did, and I preached short ACAI stock on this board many times and I did very well shorting them. I have heard a lot of talk that DAL was looking to drop ACAI immediately w/ or w/out agreement and Comair will get the planes and all I wanted to do was say that there has been no talk of that. Any questions? I will be glad to clarify further if it is necessary.

 

[shamrock]

We will not fund the Delta pilot's pension plan.

You mean Delta management's pension plan, right?

 

[DDpaysoff]

Almost all the Comair pilots knew this was coming. We are going to listen to what management has to say. However, a good majority of the Comair pilots don't trust our management. The feeling in CVG right now is H E L L NO! to concessions. We fought to hard for what we have. We will not fund the Delta pilot's pension plan. It will be interesting to see what management has to say.....stay tuned.

Before you say that, let us see what they have to offer. Like I said above, if they want to get a little they need to give a little. Can you find one thing in the contract that you would like improved for a dollar an hour?
They asked, now we will see how MEC responds. However, I don't think it is likely that we can do anything right now because this will kill ASA's negotiations. We need to support them all we can, and I can tell you that is probably the most important thing right now. The last thing they need from us is concessions and we know that.

 

[Old Crow]

What great timing. DCI asking Comair for consessions just before they get to that section in the ASA contract negotiations.
It would be quite balsy to open your contract and expect pay cuts.
You guys gave quite a "concession" when you signed your TA.

I'm all for helping out, but I don't think taking a buck or two from Comair employees is justified.

Good luck folks.

 

[ACE]

You mean Delta management's pension plan, right

LOL...Yes that too!!! Good point.

 

[ACE]

DDPAYSOFF ,
read my post again.

Before you say that, let us see what they have to offer.

once again,

We are going to listen to what management has to say.

Can you find one thing in the contract that you would like improved for a dollar an hour?

yes, of course. But, once again TRUST . I would not trust our management too improve our contract. They are known for saying one thing and doing another.

The last thing they need from us is concessions and we know that.

and again,

The feeling in CVG right now is H E L L NO! to concessions.

So how are we feeling differently here, DDPays? How is what I said different? Besides ASA which I never brought up, but is a good point.

 

[180ToTheMarker]

This is flamebait but to hell with it:

Here's my suggestion: We (ASA) should drag out negotiations until Comairs' contract becomes amendable in 2005. Then ASA and Comair get together as ONE group and tell management that ALL Connection flying will be done on a combined ASA/Comair seniority list. Currently about 70% of DCI flying is ASA/ Comair right now. The following year, it goes to 80%, then 90% etc.
This would give DCI time to adjust schedules and airframes. If this pisses off ACA, Skywest, and CHQ so be it. The whipsaw b.s. needs to stop and it needs to happen soon before everyone's hubs get totally diluted. I am tired of management holding all the aces. There, I feel better now.

 

[DDpaysoff]

Hey relax brother. I was not in disagreement at all. Fkit, I am going to the beach.

 

[General Lee]

Ace,

You probably know of course that a lot of the current pension shortfall is due to the current stock price. As the stock price eventually goes up, the pension shortfall gets smaller.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[N2264J]

Here's my suggestion: We (ASA) should drag out negotiations until Comairs' contract becomes amendable in 2005...The whipsaw b.s. needs to stop...

I agree with this part. You guys are negotiating at probably the worst period in commercial aviation history. So do what management does in good economic times - drag it out!
There is no hurry to close a bad deal is there?

By May 2006, the economy may be in much better shape plus Comair and Delta will be in Section 6 again.

Imagine the possibilities.