Comair Staffing Update

[PA44Jockey]

By Date of Hire after the Jan furloughs and downgrades:

Most Junior CVG 70/90 CA - Nov 29, 1999
Most Junior CVG 50 CA - July 19, 1999
Most Junior JFK 50 CA - Dec 15, 2000

Most Junior CVG 70/90 FO - May 16, 2005
Most Junior CVG 50 FO - Jan 8, 2007

Most Junior FO - Jan 8, 2007

A buddy of mine talked to Forecasting and Planning and RP told him OH is going to have 1054 pilots on property including those on leave by the end of the end of the first quarter 09. I think that will take the seniority list down to either Jan 05, or end of 04 for the most junior FO.

 

[IFLYIMC]

You can't be talking about mainline, are you? There is absolutely no way any rep at DAL would know this yet. Not until after the seniority list is final on Dec 8. Also, as pointed out in other threads, things PICK UP in summer. Furloughing in early spring while ramping up for a summer schedule is not the normal practice.

1) Pilot staffing for announced flying cutbacks have already been taken into account. 2) More retirements to come. 3) NWA needs to be BROUGHT UP to DAL's staffing model. 4) Enormous training costs for furloughed pilots who would go to Compass(we'd take ALL of their positions). 5) Enormous retraining costs if recalled back to mainline within 2 years.

I'm not saying DAL won't furlough, but this rep on your jumpseat seems uninformed. Could it be you we just trying to get under acarpe's skin for all his (stupid) posts? I understand if that's the case, but I just wanted to set the REAL record strait.

I don't think you will take ALL the positions just 90%, For your reading enjoyment;

No more than ninety percent (90%) of pilot positions will be preserved for Northwest Airlines pilots (a "preserved position"). No more than ten
22-3 Section 22 - Seniority July 26, 2007
percent (10%) of pilot positions will be preserved for pilots electing protected rights status (a "rights status position") at Compass Airlines. In the event of a reduction in the total number of positions at Compass, the number of "preserved positions" and "rights status positions" will be adjusted to maintain the nine to one (9:1) ratio. "Rights status" will be removed from pilots in reverse seniority order and such pilot will again have flow rights to Northwest.

 

[titans10]

I know that is everyones fall back option at nwa. You guys and gals at compass knew that was/is possible when you were hired.

 

[MJ42]

I don't think you will take ALL the positions just 90%, For your reading enjoyment;

Excuse the error, I should have said "PRACTICALLY ALL". Hopefully it won't happen. Anyway, forgot to add voluntary leaves on my list of reasons we MAY NOT furlough. You better hope I'm right or you may have plenty of time to catch up on more reading.

 

[Flybywire44]

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20081205/BIZ01/812070302

 

[V-1]

1180 total pilots down from 1477... with probably more to come after that. I think it'll probably settle down to about 1000 when it's all said and done. Although that is subject to change on a dime like everything else in this industry.

Down from 1700+ pilots would be more accurate, as I recall.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Down from 1700+ pilots would be more accurate, as I recall.

I was 1834 when I was hired in april '05...now just about at the 1000 mark. I'm not furloughed (yet), but looking at leaving to another regional closer to home and working on my accounting degree at the same time

 

[JonnyKnoxville]

Down from 1700+ pilots would be more accurate, as I recall.

I was 1970 when I was hired in 2004 with two classes that came in after me. I think it was right at about 2000 before the first Comair furlough.

 

[V-1]

I almost posted 1800+ but didn't want to give information that might have been exaggerated.

Best wishes WMU. Sounds like you have a plan of action in the likely event Delta/Comair never gets it together.

 

[PA44Jockey]

I was in the summer of 04 as well. I too am not furloughed yet, but am probably leaving.

 

[koepp]

I don't think you will take ALL the positions just 90%, For your reading enjoyment;

No more than ninety percent (90%) of pilot positions will be preserved for Northwest Airlines pilots (a "preserved position"). No more than ten
22-3 Section 22 - Seniority July 26, 2007
percent (10%) of pilot positions will be preserved for pilots electing protected rights status (a "rights status position") at Compass Airlines. In the event of a reduction in the total number of positions at Compass, the number of "preserved positions" and "rights status positions" will be adjusted to maintain the nine to one (9:1) ratio. "Rights status" will be removed from pilots in reverse seniority order and such pilot will again have flow rights to Northwest.

In order to have protected rights status one must be offered a flow up and then turn it down. There are no Compass pilots who fit into this category.

 

[AvJunke]

200 pilots by May!

I could really care less about any of this but you are juvenile. I haven't logged into this sight in a year but am bored and thought I'd see what everyone was talking about with the spiraling economy and tough times we are experiencing. This blah, blah, blah, Comair wouldn't give Delta preferential hiring six years ago and I had to work at FedEx nonsense is pathetic. Why the sense of entitlement? These people that are getting furluoughed and are in debt up to their ears doing the same job you do everyday for peanuts and you revel in their misery? All class. Good for you that you are proud of the fact that you fly a big jet but grow up. Does it make you feel good to disparage people who had nothing to do with what you are griping about? That decision was made by about five people. Clue in.

 

[acarpe3448]

I could really care less about any of this but you are juvenile. I haven't logged into this sight in a year but am bored and thought I'd see what everyone was talking about with the spiraling economy and tough times we are experiencing. This blah, blah, blah, Comair wouldn't give Delta preferential hiring six years ago and I had to work at FedEx nonsense is pathetic. Why the sense of entitlement? These people that are getting furluoughed and are in debt up to their ears doing the same job you do everyday for peanuts and you revel in their misery? All class. Good for you that you are proud of the fact that you fly a big jet but grow up. Does it make you feel good to disparage people who had nothing to do with what you are griping about? That decision was made by about five people. Clue in.

More than 5 people. Check the ranks of the RJDC! Sounds like you need to grow up a bit!

 

[PA44Jockey]

On the presidents message right now. Another 1.5% reduction in addition to the already announced reductions for 2009 for OH.

 

[samballs]

On the presidents message right now. Another 1.5% reduction in addition to the already announced reductions for 2009 for OH.

The number is less than 40 pilot before spring, and a huge cut in management.

 

[PA44Jockey]

The number is less than 40 pilot before spring, and a huge cut in management.

What do you mean the number is less than 40 pilot before spring? Are you saying that you have information saying that after 92 guys get furloughed in January that there will be less than 40 more that get furloughed before March?

 

[captainv]

If you listen to Ryan Piper, look for the pilot group to shake out at 1050 or so.

 

[Broke in CVG]

On the presidents message right now. Another 1.5% reduction in addition to the already announced reductions for 2009 for OH.

I guess he is also a Liar. Last weeks message said no additional cuts - he "talked to DL and they said the new reduction does not include Comair."

 

[PA44Jockey]

I guess he is also a Liar. Last weeks message said no additional cuts - he "talked to DL and they said the new reduction does not include Comair."

Good point!

"Jack, there aren't enough life boats for everyone!"

 

[N813CA]

Actually he was very smart. Last week he said that as of that day he hadn't heard any reductions of our flying. This week he said that he had just been told by Delta