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CitationLover
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captainv
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the most junior lineholder has about 150 pilots junior to him.
look at it this way, we're slated to hire 125 pilots this year to fill seats created by the delivery of the 8 CR7s we're getting. by that math, if you start class right now, you'll be close to being off reserve at the end of the year, but we'd need to hire more pilots for you to hold a line. maybe we'll get DoJets or some of the phantom RJs, but the 8 CF7s are all you can rely on right now.
that said, if you get junior manned onto the CR7, you're guaranteed to be on reserve at least a year. after that, you can bid back over to the 50-seater, where you might be able to hold a line. of course, anyone who was junior manned and is senior to you might be trying to do the same thing...
>Can anyone tell me the seniority of folks holding a line? Would >someone who was hired in March be off reserve?
look at it this way, we're slated to hire 125 pilots this year to fill seats created by the delivery of the 8 CR7s we're getting. by that math, if you start class right now, you'll be close to being off reserve at the end of the year, but we'd need to hire more pilots for you to hold a line. maybe we'll get DoJets or some of the phantom RJs, but the 8 CF7s are all you can rely on right now.
that said, if you get junior manned onto the CR7, you're guaranteed to be on reserve at least a year. after that, you can bid back over to the 50-seater, where you might be able to hold a line. of course, anyone who was junior manned and is senior to you might be trying to do the same thing...
>Can anyone tell me the seniority of folks holding a line? Would >someone who was hired in March be off reserve?
Looking4Traffic
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FOs hired in April 2003 are holding a line.
A class of ten new-hires begins next week.
A reliable source said that there will be three classes in February and three classes in March. Size of those classes is expected to be six or more persons.
There were 137 pilots on reserve during the month of December (a holiday month) in the 50-seater. Typical months are about 120 or so.
I hope that helps.
A class of ten new-hires begins next week.
A reliable source said that there will be three classes in February and three classes in March. Size of those classes is expected to be six or more persons.
There were 137 pilots on reserve during the month of December (a holiday month) in the 50-seater. Typical months are about 120 or so.
I hope that helps.
I interviewed in Aug. and was offered a class date in Oct. However, they called me 8 days prior to a new class date and asked me if I wanted to start training. I am currently flying for a 121 company and had to turn the class date down. They didn't even give me the opportunity to give a two weeks notice. Wouldn't they want me to give them two weeks when I leave ComAir?
jarhead
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You have mistakenly assumed that their is still a modicum of loyalty left in business nowadays. Most companies will not even let you know if they are going to lay people off. They just do it!
There is no legal obligation to "give notice" to quit any job. If you have an oportunity to better yourself, take it. How well do the companies look out for your interests in negotiations? They don't!
There is no legal obligation to "give notice" to quit any job. If you have an oportunity to better yourself, take it. How well do the companies look out for your interests in negotiations? They don't!
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all it means is that someone who had been given proper notice couldn't make their scheduled class date. i remember we had one guy who turned down his slot with less than a week to go, so his spot went to a furloughed pilot whose schedule was decidedly flexible. they just go down the list of people who are about to get a class date and see if any of them can come on short notice. it's not about screwing your current company, it's about keeping the class at its original size...
and don't think this will affect your normal class date at Comair. they call a ton of guys in the pool, most of whom can't come early, so you'll still get your shot when it's your turn...
>I interviewed in Aug. and was offered a class date in Oct. However, they called me 8 days prior to a new class date and asked me if I wanted to start training. I am currently flying for a 121 company and had to turn the class date down. They didn't even give me the opportunity to give a two weeks notice. Wouldn't they want me to give them two weeks when I leave ComAir?
and don't think this will affect your normal class date at Comair. they call a ton of guys in the pool, most of whom can't come early, so you'll still get your shot when it's your turn...
>I interviewed in Aug. and was offered a class date in Oct. However, they called me 8 days prior to a new class date and asked me if I wanted to start training. I am currently flying for a 121 company and had to turn the class date down. They didn't even give me the opportunity to give a two weeks notice. Wouldn't they want me to give them two weeks when I leave ComAir?
Looking4Traffic
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Burning Bridges
NRH:
I agree wholeheartedly that burning bridges is a bad idea. I ask you only to consider the following.
(1) If somone cancels their class assignment at Comair at the last minute (and it happens all the time), Sharon is going to still try and fill that seat -- with you or with someone else. It has nothing to do with integrity -- it has to do with getting pilots into airplanes when they're needed.
(2) When I received my "congrats" letter from Comair, I immediately told my existing employer that "Comair had expressed an interest in hiring me, that I would likely take the job when it was offered (i.e. when I received a class date) and that the offer might come with very little notice." The employer appreciated my candor and, sure enough, Sharon called me four days before a scheduled class to offer me a vacated seat. I took that seat.
There were two academy classes (of 10-12 pilots a class) that started after mine. There are some pilots in my 'interview' class who have seniority numbers nearly 40 after mine. Depending on the airline's circumstances, 40 seniority numbers could delay upgrade for three-six months or more. A six month delay in upgrade could cost you over $50,000 in lost salary.
So you have to ask yourself the question. Is 8 days notice vs. 14 days notice to your current employer really that important?
Good luck with your decision, whatever it might be, and we'll look forward to seeing you on the line in CVG.
NRH:
I agree wholeheartedly that burning bridges is a bad idea. I ask you only to consider the following.
(1) If somone cancels their class assignment at Comair at the last minute (and it happens all the time), Sharon is going to still try and fill that seat -- with you or with someone else. It has nothing to do with integrity -- it has to do with getting pilots into airplanes when they're needed.
(2) When I received my "congrats" letter from Comair, I immediately told my existing employer that "Comair had expressed an interest in hiring me, that I would likely take the job when it was offered (i.e. when I received a class date) and that the offer might come with very little notice." The employer appreciated my candor and, sure enough, Sharon called me four days before a scheduled class to offer me a vacated seat. I took that seat.
There were two academy classes (of 10-12 pilots a class) that started after mine. There are some pilots in my 'interview' class who have seniority numbers nearly 40 after mine. Depending on the airline's circumstances, 40 seniority numbers could delay upgrade for three-six months or more. A six month delay in upgrade could cost you over $50,000 in lost salary.
So you have to ask yourself the question. Is 8 days notice vs. 14 days notice to your current employer really that important?
Good luck with your decision, whatever it might be, and we'll look forward to seeing you on the line in CVG.
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PositiveRate
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Agreed. Take the shorter notice. Sharon called me on a friday for a monday class (granted i was unemployed and getting desparate at the time). If i hadn't taken it, it would have been about 3 more months of swimming in a pool i had already been treading in for 6 months...seniority = quality of life. The farther from reserve you get, the better your life gets. Take the first chance given you and hope we get some of that growth.
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Looking4Traffic
Excellent point about getting a class date ASAP. I sat on a AA jumpseat (fomer TWA Cpt.) and he said that guys that were hired three months after him, 35 years ago, have spent a total of 10 years on furlough. He has spent 4 months of furlough.
You guys have a great company and an excellent contract. I just wish I would of interviewed in March of 2000 when they first called and not August 2003. I was just not in a position to give less than two weeks notice. Take care.
Looking4Traffic
Excellent point about getting a class date ASAP. I sat on a AA jumpseat (fomer TWA Cpt.) and he said that guys that were hired three months after him, 35 years ago, have spent a total of 10 years on furlough. He has spent 4 months of furlough.
You guys have a great company and an excellent contract. I just wish I would of interviewed in March of 2000 when they first called and not August 2003. I was just not in a position to give less than two weeks notice. Take care.
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