Comair FA's

[comair1048]

I Have seen no thread about the Comair FA's

I think that they will bring OH down....But I agree with them who wants to work for 10,800 a year..I can make more at Target

The Erlanger-based regional carrier, a subsidiary of bankrupt Delta Air Lines, is seeking pay concessions of $8.9 million from its 900 flight attendants, most of whom are based at the airport here. The company is seeking bankruptcy court approval to toss its current contract that pays the average flight attendant $28,600 per year.

"They're asking substantially more from our employees," Dziad said, noting that average cuts of about $10,800 in annual pay


And Delta has already said they will replace Comair if they strike..It is a no win situation for OH

 

["GO AROUND"]

Hey D'Angelo,

Maybe you could suggest another pay cut for the pilots to help the flight attendants out? Cause you're all about that aren't ya? Maybe if you get rid of alpa, managment would just impose them anyway?

Maybe you could get out from under Fred's desk and ask him?

 

[wolfpackpilot]

It´s sad that the Flight Attendants have to do the dirty work that Comair Pilots should be joining them in.

More power to ´em! If they strike and management hires replacements (scabs) and the pilots continue to work... shame on them.

 

[FDJ2]

Will the Comair pilots cross the flight attendants picket line if it comes to that?

 

[Buddro]

Count me OUT!!! If the FA's strike and the company hires scabs I wont fly!!!

I told a Chief Pilot this last week! I also told him if Mesa buys Comair, I will walk off the job! I don't even care if I have to rent a car from an outstation and drive back to CVG! I have standards and flying for Mesa is well below the personal standards I have set for myself.

He laughed.......I guess he thinks I was kidding. Only time will tell.

There are enough spineless pukes at Comair who will continue to fly and keep the airline moving somewhat. They are the same guys who feel they have rights to Delta's aircraft and who feel they should have been merged DOH with the Delta pilots.

 

[blackbox]

I heard a couple days ago that the FAs voted to strike. Any truth to this?

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

10,800???!!

Why bother? That should be an automatic strike, minimum wage at mcdonalds pays much better than that by about 4 grand!

Actually why bother with a strike, just quit if that is what they want to pay.

 

[Broke in CVG]

There are enough spineless pukes at Comair who will continue to fly and keep the airline moving somewhat. They are the same guys who feel they have rights to Delta's aircraft and who feel they should have been merged DOH with the Delta pilots.

yea about 51% of the pilots

 

[wolfpackpilot]

I am making this statement in all sincerity.

I just returned home from a trip, and as usual I flew Delta, (actually it was Chitaqua) as I still live in the CVG area. I am a Gold Elite with Delta, and may make Platinum this year, as I fly for NetJets and the company pays for our tickets. On my way out to get in the car I ran into a group of Comair Flight Attendants who were passing out informational flyers. I signed their petition and told them I supported them 100% if they strike and shut the place down.

This is absolutely ludicrous that employees would have to work on airplanes for less than $20K. I hope beyond hope that the Comair Pilots standup and at least refuse to fly with scabs or management Flight Attendants. If you do, labor will take it in the shorts like you’ve never seen. Your company is in dire straights, and most likely will be sold or chopped to pieces; for gosh sake people, go out with some pride.

Remember when Comair Pilots were on strike and the FA’s stood up for you? The drive by honkings' all day… Now it’s your turn.

 

[bvt1151]

10,800???!!

Why bother? That should be an automatic strike, minimum wage at mcdonalds pays much better than that by about 4 grand!

$10,800 is inaccurate by about $7,000...and no its not 3,800. First year pay for flight attendants would not change, and the pay cuts are not 30%, rather 13-19%. FO's took a 22% hit.

 

[Indy319FA]

Remember when Comair Pilots were on strike and the FA’s stood up for you? The drive by honkings' all day… Now it’s your turn.

Yep. I also remember other employees told them the pilots would never stand behind the FAs in the same manner. Looks like we may get the chance to find out. Hopefully the pilots will back their FAs, and not just look out for themselves.

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Comair union approves strike
Attendants await judge's ruling
BY JAMES PILCHER | ENQUIRER STAFF WRITER
Comair's flight attendant union Friday overwhelmingly gave its leaders the right to call a strike if management is allowed to void the existing contract and impose $8.9 million in annual compensation cuts.
The 900-member branch of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters voted 93 percent to 7 percent to authorize a strike. Union officials declined to release vote totals but said an estimated 80 percent of members voted.
Earlier this year, Comair asked a U.S. Bankruptcy Court in New York to reject its existing contract with the flight attendants. Judge Adlai Hardin has until April 10 to make a decision.
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Local union president Connie Slayback said she is prepared to call for some sort of
action, "but that's not what we want to do." The vote says "that we can't afford these preposterous cuts," Slayback said.
Comair, meanwhile, continued to indicate a willingness to negotiate. Friday's vote "does not affect Comair's operations or Comair's desire to reach a consensual agreement," company spokeswoman Kate Moser said.
Moser said the airline is offering a new proposal that would reduce the proposed average pay cut from 24 percent to 16 percent a worker - or about $5,600 annually.
Erlanger-based Comair has been seeking the concessions from the union since shortly after it was taken into bankruptcy protection by parent Delta Air Lines last fall.
Comair says it needs the cuts to be competitive. Its flight attendants earn $16,000 to $40,000 a year.

 

[Indy319FA]

Just found this....got a laugh when I saw the headline.......only somebody in DL or OH management would even attempt to make the argument that $16,000/yr is OVERPAID. Hopefully the judge will laugh that argument right out of court..........but probably not.........

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Comair: Attendants overpaid
BY JAMES PILCHER | ENQUIRER STAFF WRITER
NEW YORK -- The Comair executive in charge of the flight attendant group acknowledged Tuesday that the union is being asked to give up a bigger chunk by percentage than other workgroups.
The company is seeking $8.9 million in annual cuts from its 900-member flight attendant union, and has asked the federal bankruptcy court to reject the existing deal.
But Joel Kuplack, Comair vice president of human resources and in-flight services, also told U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Adlai Hardin that the discrepancy was because the union had received pay raises and other employee groups hadn't.

"The reality is that they don't match up with the rest of the market, and the need is to have all our groups paid in line with the marketplace," Kuplack said. "And with the flight attendants, there is a marked difference there."
The exchange was the highlight of the second and final day of hearings over Comair's motion to reject the existing contract.
It came in response to a direct question by Hardin, who said he needed help with the concept of the sought-after concessions being "fair and equitable."
Under the bankruptcy law that covers such contract rejections, the company must meet a standard of the new terms being "fair and equitable" as compared to concessions taken by other stakeholders in the company. And the union has argued that the company's concession demands are out of scale with the givebacks by other workgroups.
Overall, Comair is seeking to reduce labor costs by $42.3 million, cuts it says it needs to remain competitive and keep flying for parent Delta Air Lines.
It has reached concessionary deals with its pilots and mechanics and has cut non-union pay as well, but the other two agreements don't go into effect until the flight attendants also agree to concessions.
Monday, the company said that without the cost cuts, its future remains bleak, and the lawyer for the unsecured creditors' committee said that Comair likely would be liquidated.
But the local branch of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters has said a strike is likely if the contract is rejected and new terms imposed.
Hardin has until April 10 to render a decision.
Comair employs about 3,000 locally at the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport, Delta's second-largest hub.
Both sides rested their cases Tuesday, although the company still is being asked for more information, specifically on how Comair came up with its market rates. Attorneys from both sides are to discuss the case further with Hardin today, and determine if more arguments are needed later.
TALKS CONTINUE
Meanwhile, the two sides took Hardin's urging Monday to settle the case seriously, and met Tuesday morning before court.
In addition, talks were scheduled for this morning in New York and Thursday and Friday in Washington, D.C., Comair said.
Comair flight attendants currently are paid between $16,000 and $40,000 a year and are considered the highest-paid in the regional industry. The union has said that the company's demands would cost workers an average of more than $10,000 a year in pay and benefits.
Comair management last week made a new proposal productivity and introduce part-time workers, thereby reducing the pay cut from about $7,500 per worker to $5,600 a year, or from 24.6 percent on average to 16.7 percent.
A major sticking point remains job protection. Union officials are seeking guarantees for jobs in exchange for givebacks.
And in testimony Monday, Kuplack said that the Teamsters had offered to give up money in return for job protection, but that the company was not willing to discuss that point.
Teamsters national representative Victoria Gray said that there was no immediate movement Tuesday.
Comair spokeswoman Kate Moser would not comment on the talks, saying only that the company "much prefers a consensual agreement."
BIG SHARE OF CUTS
In documents filed with the court, Comair said that its flight attendants make up 10.5 percent of the total payroll. But the union is being asked to make up 21 percent of the overall labor pay cut.
By comparison, the mechanics make up 8.5 percent of the payroll, but are being asked to make up 2 percent of the cuts; customer service agents are 21 percent of payroll but 5 percent of the cuts; and pilots represent 43.2 percent of payroll but their concessions are 41 percent of the $42.3 million total in labor cuts.
But Kuplack stressed that when the concession requests were computed, the rates were compared to other Delta regional carriers.
The rest of the hearing consisted of testy exchanges between company attorney Neal Mollen and the union's expert Robert Mann over specific economic data.

 

[Plug]

There are enough spineless pukes at Comair who will continue to fly and keep the airline moving somewhat. They are the same guys who feel they have rights to Delta's aircraft and who feel they should have been merged DOH with the Delta pilots.

You must be talking about fools like Ford, Ashcraft, Lacky, hell raise the age to 65 and Cooksey will probably cross. All the while claiming ALPA held a gun to their head and said "pay to play."