Comair Concessions?

[sleepy]

I am hearing an ugly rumor that the Comair pilots will be voting on entering concessionary contract talks with their management soon. Any truth there?

 

[doh]

Management has made a request to make some changes to the pwa (pilot working agreement). We have a poll that will be conducted over the next couple of months. On October 9th we have a meeting in CVG to discuss the proposals.

 

[jarhead]

There is no chance at all that the CMR pilot group will give up an inch or a dime of what they went on strike for 89 days to get. I have access to the CMR ALPA boards, and there is an informal poll going on there. Every "vote" in this straw poll, is either NO, or HE!! NO. The only truth to your question, is that management has asked for a meeting with the MEC to "discuss" some items in the PWA. In the end, it is the pilot group that controls this contract until 2006 when it becomes amendable.

 

[rjcap]

If Comair wants to discuss contract issues then the pilots can also talk about pay increases etc.

The pilots can use this as an opportunity to negotiate improvements to their contract.

 

[Treme]

No?

Ok so you all vote "No".

Do you think that the company will say, "ok thanks. We had to ask. See you in a few years" and that will be the end of it? There will be no repercussions?

Say "No". Fine. But say it with the understanding that the company very well may take hostages. Flying can be transferred to Chautauqua and ACA. Aircraft deliveries can be cancelled. Aircraft can be returned.

Pilots can be furloughed.

I'm not saying you should jump all over concessions. I'm just saying that there is a cost associated with voting "No". I believe that you should expect your company to take hostages and that is a factor that must be considered in any negotiations.

 

[jarhead]

rjcap

I sincerely doubt that Comair Management is asking to open talks for a chance to raise pay rates (tic).

But yes, "talks" could cover things beyond concessions from pilots

 

[jarhead]

The last time around, the Comair pilots took Delta Airlines hostage for over a half a billion dollars. Do you treally think they want to play that card again? As Clint Eastwood might say, Do ya feel lucky, punk", or as his other line went, "c'mon, make my day"

 

[Palerider957]

Well, shucks--I guess someone has to pay for mainline salaries, retirement, and perks all the while they bleed cash. Really we should do this job for nothing to keep mainline afloat.

Concessions at Comair are fuc.king ABSURD

 

[Heavy Set]

Sounds like the ACA Dojos might be coming over to Comair after ACA is bounced - probably trying to set wage levels for the Dojos...

 

[asacap]

Comair pilots,

Management will always attack anything more than minimum wage. Stay strong and vote no. I will if it comes to ASA. Good luck.

 

[ACE]

Pilots can be furloughed.

We have a no furlough clause in our contract for this situation.

Management will probably dangle a lot of wonderful promises in our face. Again, we don't trust our management, point blank. We gave our concessions for 89 days. I personally don't care what they have to say, my vote is for NO. There is still a lot of bad blood left over from the strike and for those of us that were here, we will never forget. I just thank god new hires can't vote.

 

[sidseal]

I just thank god new hires can't vote.

Hey, what's 'sup with that? I'm coming up on a year and I can tell you, my vote would be no! I came over from another regional so I'm not new to the game. I do see your point, though.

 

[ACE]

what's 'sup with that?

Need I say more?

 

[Treme]

"We have a no furlough clause in our contract for this situation."

Your contract states that the Company will not furlough any pilot whose name is on the seniority list on the effective date of the agreement...

The agreement was effective June 22, 2001.

I am guessing that you have around 500 pilots not covered by that clause who can be furloughed if the company decides to play hardball.

I only mention it because you often hear pilots complaining about how ALPA eats their young -- how Delta pilots eat their young.

Saying "no" without any idea what the company is asking for and without regard for pilots who may be harmed by such an attitude is, in my opinion, a bit irresponsible.

Ace's quote that "I just thank god new hires can't vote." indicates that, like a good ALPA member, he is prepared to eat-his-young in order to maintain the status quo.

Nice to see that some things (ALPA) never change.

 

[General Lee]

ACE's comment was a little harsh. And, we also had a No Furlough clasue---and see what it did for us? But, they have to give a reason to furlough, and only 100 or so of our pilots fell under the same "only good for people hired before June 1st, 2001." Still, I doubt they would furlough any Comair pilots.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[sidseal]

Need I say more?

Yep, God forbid I use a little humor.

 

[12GO]

Well, shucks--I guess someone has to pay for mainline salaries, retirement, and perks all the while they bleed cash. Really we should do this job for nothing to keep mainline afloat.

Concessions at Comair are fuc.king ABSURD

Reminds me of a story I once heard of an ALPA solicitation during the Eastern Airlines strike when regional pilots were ask to contribute to a strike fund.

The strike fund proposed would have provided the mainline pilots on strike with more income than the regional Captains flying the line.

It makes me wonder how long the regional pilots are willing to contribute (paying dues) to representation by a national union with some pretty obvious conflicts of interest.

Oh, by the way how is their litigation going?

 

[Homer Jay]

Hey Ace,

The days of hiring nothing but Academy grads is over. Most new hires have previous airline experience. I have 3.5 years of previous airline experience and I can tell you that I would definitely vote no.

 

[tbkane]

No furlough clause good luck with that one. Offically we have one two. Only the last 60 of us could be furloughed according to the contract. That said we have 1,260 furloughed illegally. I wouldn't put any weight in a no furlough clause especially with DAL management as the adversary.

 

[bladeusa]

i voted no for the current contract.. im certainly not voting yes to anything less...