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mhcasey

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Hey guys,

Any advice you all can offer will be greatly appreciated.

I'm a sophomore undergraduate student at the University of Texas in Austin, majoring in Philosophy and Plan II Honors (its an honors liberal arts degree basically...a lesser known program, but very competitive...visit the UT website if you're interested in learning more). I've wanted to fly my whole life, but gave up on the idea my senior year of high school when I decided I didn't want to go to the Air Force Academy and I learned of how difficult it was for my Dad to work his way into an Airline Position 25 years ago.

Now, I've decided that since aviation is still the only thing I've ever wanted to do for a living, I'm going to do it despite the challenges and "tricky" market (a term I use loosely to encompass the varying posts of read, some of which told of nightmares in the market today, others describing dreams come true).

Apart from currently working on my Private Pilot Certification, flying on a ton of American Airlines Flights (since Dad's a pilot, flying is super cheap until I graduate), and researching planes my entire life, I don't have any flight-specific training, certifications, or hours.

The plan I've come up with is to stick around at the university for another two years to finish up my B.A. (I've only got about 40 hours remaining after this semester for my B.A., so I'll either get a serious job or take as much math/physics/aerospace as I can before graduating), get as many certifications/ratings as time/money will allow for during that time (though until I get a better job, I'll only have about $15-20,000 left after I get my Private, so loans might have to play a factor), then hopefully come out flying the odd jobs to build hours fast so I can be hired by a regional carrier.

I don't really know how I'm going to afford all of this. Can anyone offer any advice? I've read a few ideas such as washing airplanes for flight time. It seems like the best way is to just start meeting a lot of people, especially those who happen to have enough money to own airplanes. I've also looked for some scholarships without a whole lot of luck, but I haven't searched too deeply yet.

Would anyone recommend a military route? I'm tossing around the idea of going through the Air National Guard since I don't think I sign my soul over to them, unlike I would have at the Academy.

My Dad took two years off from school to get a 2-year aviation degree. I'd prefer to avoid that, but woud anyone recommend that route, or any specific 2-year programs?

Please, do not post any replies to the tune of "Oh you're getting your degree? Good! Forget about aviation because the market sucks!" I'm well aware that the industry is not as glamorous as most people think, and I'm well aware of the challenges that await before I even get into the industry.

Any other advice will be warmly welcomed though.

Thanks,

Mike
 
Hi Mike. Congrats on your decision to fly. Also, glad to see you can filter out most of the BS from people on this site who obviously should be in other lines of work. Heres my .02: 1. The military option is a great way to fly for free...as long as you think you could handle the military lifestyle. 2. I didnt start to fly until about 5 years ago and I choose to buy a cheap airplane (IFR) and split the costs with other pilots when I could. I earned all my ratings and networked like hell. By doing this, I got a type rating and a ton of turbine time for practically next to nothing. You never know who you'll meet at the airport! 3. Avoid PFT like the plague...you will overspend big time and in general, it is frowned upon in the industry.
When I was where you are now, I couldnt wait to have all my ratings and I thought it would take forever. But, the tme built pretty quickly and I enjoyed every hour! Good luck and hope to see you on the line one day.
 
1. Flying the line for an airline has little bearing on what degree you get. Nobody's going to care if you took some aerospace engineering/physics courses or not. It's irrelevent, practically speaking, to airline flying or getting an airline job.

2. The USAFR or ANG is pretty busy picking up the slack that the active forces can't handle these days, so don't expect a semi-free ride nor an easy time getting a pilot slot with them. If you want to serve your country great. If you only want to "use" the Guard to further your civilian career, please don't waste their time.

3. Finish your degree in a discipline that you enjoy and can get a job in to support yourself. Absolutely do not put all your eggs in the aviation basket. Even if money and time weren't a factor getting your ratings and getting a real pilot job, remember your only one FAA physical away from your aviation career coming to an abrupt end.
 
mhcasey said:
Hey guys,

Any advice you all can offer will be greatly appreciated.

I'm a sophomore undergraduate student at the University of Texas in Austin, majoring in Philosophy and Plan II Honors (its an honors liberal arts degree basically...a lesser known program, but very competitive...visit the UT website if you're interested in learning more). I've wanted to fly my whole life, but gave up on the idea my senior year of high school when I decided I didn't want to go to the Air Force Academy and I learned of how difficult it was for my Dad to work his way into an Airline Position 25 years ago.

Now, I've decided that since aviation is still the only thing I've ever wanted to do for a living, I'm going to do it despite the challenges and "tricky" market (a term I use loosely to encompass the varying posts of read, some of which told of nightmares in the market today, others describing dreams come true).

Apart from currently working on my Private Pilot Certification, flying on a ton of American Airlines Flights (since Dad's a pilot, flying is super cheap until I graduate), and researching planes my entire life, I don't have any flight-specific training, certifications, or hours.

The plan I've come up with is to stick around at the university for another two years to finish up my B.A. (I've only got about 40 hours remaining after this semester for my B.A., so I'll either get a serious job or take as much math/physics/aerospace as I can before graduating), get as many certifications/ratings as time/money will allow for during that time (though until I get a better job, I'll only have about $15-20,000 left after I get my Private, so loans might have to play a factor), then hopefully come out flying the odd jobs to build hours fast so I can be hired by a regional carrier.

I don't really know how I'm going to afford all of this. Can anyone offer any advice? I've read a few ideas such as washing airplanes for flight time. It seems like the best way is to just start meeting a lot of people, especially those who happen to have enough money to own airplanes. I've also looked for some scholarships without a whole lot of luck, but I haven't searched too deeply yet.

Would anyone recommend a military route? I'm tossing around the idea of going through the Air National Guard since I don't think I sign my soul over to them, unlike I would have at the Academy.

My Dad took two years off from school to get a 2-year aviation degree. I'd prefer to avoid that, but woud anyone recommend that route, or any specific 2-year programs?

Please, do not post any replies to the tune of "Oh you're getting your degree? Good! Forget about aviation because the market sucks!" I'm well aware that the industry is not as glamorous as most people think, and I'm well aware of the challenges that await before I even get into the industry.

Any other advice will be warmly welcomed though.

Thanks,

Mike

hey mike im in a similar boat as you, im a sophmore at the univeristy of north carolina at charlotte studying business. anyways theres a lot of helpful info in a thread i made a while back in the training section entitled 'best way to build hours' theres a lot of good advice in there. go check it out, best of luck to you
 
This subject has been gone over a bunch of times; you can do a search. Remember you do not join the military service to fly, you join to serve your country to fulfill the needs of the President by flying. You serve at the pleasure of the President. You will not fly that much in the Military unless you go to a conflict, Although Army WO's does stay in the cockpit more than any other service, and there is tons of office duties and family separation. In 11 years of Navy Active duty I got 2500 hours, 800 in 6 months during Vietnam, then averaged under 200 hrs a year. I was gone from home for nearly 4 years. Saw my son for about 11 months between his birth, which I almost missed, and his third birthday. If you go into fly, you will have a 10-11 year obligation, which as an officer will include at least 3-4 years of not flying and doing office duties, or standing phone watches at a command center evening and weekends. It is not a lot of flying. Flying is still a great career and you can make it if you want to.
 
RockbrigadePC1 said:
UNC rocks...

epic,

Are you going to continue your education or stop with your BS?

im going to stop once i get my BS, i have no need to get my masters
 
If your dad is an AA pilot tell the cheapskate to help you out. You need money and lots of it. That's what fathers are for, to educated their children. If this really is your dream, go for it and ask for help. It's very difficult to do it your self, without financial help. Tell him you'll pay him back. Right.

The previous posts about the military are right on. Listen to these men. They know what they're talking about.
 
Theres always the option of transferring to an ERAU or UND type school, and taking out loans to pay for it. You can finish up your credit hours, get a degree in aviation, and work on your ratings through MEI.
 

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