Colgan plan

[flifo81]

Rumor has it that Colgan has a plan in place...to be heard on Thursday as to whether or not they will stay with US Airways. Any thoughts?? Continental seems to be the biggest rumor going around.

 

[350DRIVER]

I would be very surprised if Colgan left Airways intentionally, wouldn't make a whole lot of sense since they service quite a few cities where other air carrier service is limited or non-existent. They may be putting a plan B in place and/or preparing for life after Airways, as negative as that may sound. I think Gulfstream is going to be doing a lot of future CO prop routes using the EMB120's. With Airways or without them you are still going to have certain pairings where it will continue to be economical to service them with the 1900's. Colgan won't be going away anytime soon.

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[NEDude]

You guys are going to merge with CommutAir. We get the Saabs we have been rumored to be getting for over a decade, you guys get your rumored affiliation with Continental. Makes as much sense as anything else.

 

[chperplt]

I think the plan is to dump most of the Saabs and go back to being an EAS only airline. They have been awarded the contracts on many of these routes for an extended period of time. Someone will pick them up for this feed and this feed only.

FAR 139 prohibits any airplane with more than 19 seats from utilizing an airport without CFR on field. Most airports that are EAS fall under this provision. In other words, you can't use a jet and are stuck with a Beech 1900 or similar small turboprop.

Even if a CO or UAL can get 10,000 customers a year to feed into their hubs from all of these routes combined, it is a business success. The government pays Colgan for the routes so the contract with the mainline partner will be very cheap.

Even with all the Senators connections, I don't think he's going to be able to keep his airline in today's form is U goes away.

 

[routeskd]

Any word on the plan???

 

[flifo81]

No news yet...talk about suspense! But the judge ruled in favor of US Airways today in court with the machinists union. Go figure!!

 

[Radiohofo]

Buddy at US Airways told me the union won't vote until around the 21st. It won't make any difference, the contract will get busted because the union probably won't go for 9% cut. Then the judge will step in and really lay a hurting down, giving the company free reign to impose whatever paycut. You can be sure it will be more than 9%. The CEO walked around KCLT today and told employees that if the company can make to till March the company can make it. However, he added at the present time the company has about 60% chance of success. The employees have to understand, if they want their jobs, they can't repeat another Phili incident. I was informed that even some of the pilots pitched in and delivered bags to people's homes. Kudos to those guys. The thousands of bags at Phili cost the company 157.00 each (average) to get delivered. Hope the airline can make it otherwise the trickle down is going hurt us all alot more in the long term. **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ed if you do and really **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ed if you don't.

 

[routeskd]

any word on the big plan yet???

 

[flifo81]

nuthin yet...very weird, sumthin must still be brewing

 

[chperplt]

nuthin yet...very weird, sumthin must still be brewing

You're joking right? You actually think those bozos have a plan?

I was in LGA a few days ago and saw LVD taxing in. They thought they had a plan to get rid of the Cs 4 years ago..

I can see the headlines now.. Colgan Air signes deal with XYZ carrier to fly feed in their beautiful Beech 1900 Cs..

 

[halfmoon]

Just Out!

Colgan to code share with American Air lines out of STL!!
20 Canadairs by Jan 06. Leased Saabs will be turned in if Usairways liquidates, owned saabs will be used for essential air service and all 1900's will disappear.
I never thought I would be hearing this!!

 

[727PAA]

Come on now

Where'd ya hear that?? I just love St. Louis...all that groovy BBQ and that domed stadium to boot.

 

[chperplt]

If I'm not mistaken, AA already code shares out of STL. Doesn't the APA contract prohibit more jets on the connection side?

Nice try!!

 

[SlamClicker]

I hope Colgan plans on hiring me! Mr Colgan called me for an interview today. Interview on the 17th. He indicated he might put me in the Saab if hired. As I understand it the upgrade time at Colgan is ALOT sooner than..let's say..those other folks that fly nice new shiny ERJ's and CRJ's. I would much rather be in the left seat of a Saab in two years as the left seat of a RJ in ten years. You tell me is this logical or am I nieve?

 

[English]

Canadairs at Colgan - somebody been smokin' on the regional board again?

They were saying jets back in 2001 as well.

 

[Eagle-ista]

The only way this would happen is if Colgan could do it cheaper than TSA or Chautauqua. Not likely, especially when they have to buy new CRJs.

Yeah, and that sticky little scope clause in the APA contract...

 

[halfmoon]

I had to pay a visit to HEF. It's the latest news down there! It must have come out as everyone knocked off for the weekend!! Just what I heard from realiable sources.

 

[great cornholio]

They were throwing the jet word around when I was hired there over 2 years ago. They have a hard enough time keeping the 1900s in the air can't imagine what would happen with the jets.

 

[BRA]

(insert mindless quotes and filth here)

 

[Pukindog]

I hope Colgan plans on hiring me! Mr Colgan called me for an interview today. Interview on the 17th. He indicated he might put me in the Saab if hired. As I understand it the upgrade time at Colgan is ALOT sooner than..let's say..those other folks that fly nice new shiny ERJ's and CRJ's. I would much rather be in the left seat of a Saab in two years as the left seat of a RJ in ten years. You tell me is this logical or am I nieve?

There are reasons for the very high attrition rates at Colgan... most people go there for the prospect of PIC time only to be scared away by what they see and do.

Also, Saab PIC may be a wait since there are a long line of Beech captains waiting to jump to Saab captains.

 

[flifo81]

First off...I heard that Colgan would would have to be "union" to get jets. Second, The only connection with AA is Colgan getting their newer SF3. Why would they get rid of all the B19's and put SF3's in place on their smaller EAS routes?? That would seem to be a waste of $$. Are you sure that you're source in HEF is reliable??

 

[chperplt]

Unless his sources mentioned the addition of a new buffet line at casa Colgan, they can't be worth much.

The fact is, the Saab is unable by regulation to fly many of the EAS routes. This fact alone shoots down your plan.

 

[BRA]

I've heard nothing about a buffet line, but I believe 2 C models are coming off the line tommorw. (the 9th) One being that nasty looking all white one. Two beech 1900 bases have closed. (switched over to saab service on the routes) One 1900 C should be left which they say will go away in feb. I'll believe this when I don't see them anymore. If that makes sence. They still do some hiring here and there. And some upgrades and transitions. i know FO's on the beech want to go to the saab. Upgrade times always vary, but a few are getting the beech upgrade in less than one years time. Why would we need a union to get jets? From what I understand, the C models can't fly past march unless they install the EGPWS in them. I guess it isn't worth the money? No, I probably know that it isn't worth the money. I don't know the facts but people talk about being able to fly a saab with less seats in it into the EAS airports with no fire rescue on the field. May be this is to be determined in the future? You would think it would be a waste to fly an airplane of that size into a place that only has 3 passengers going out. Plus you gotta pay for flight attendents too. But, if you could have a fleet of just one airplane...may be it then makes it worth it financially. And in other news, we have a few openings for cowboys.

 

[flifo81]

I did hear a few months ago some talk of taking out 4 seats in the SF3 to allow them to fly into non fire rescue airports. I guess we still go on playing the waiting game!!

 

[chperplt]

Sorry... Can't take seats out. It's what the aircraft was certified for.. and if you could, you would have to take out a hell of a lot more than 4 seats. FAR 139 states more than 19 seats require CFR.

 

[druglord]

I heard they're going to compete with ACA out of manassas as an independent airline. The rationale that the C's are cheaper to run than a new airbus320 and people like the "small hometown feel" of flying in a Beech1900C. Kinda retro-cool.

 

[flifo81]

Flying just B19's out of MNZ as and independent airline?? That would be rather interesting...to try and go back and survive as their own after making alot of money flying for majors for over five years..?!

 

[chperplt]

How's the Australian wonder dog doing?

Is my wedding invitation in the mail yet?

 

[FlightTraker]

Ah yes....another link gone bad. Don't these always end up as Colgan reunion links. Glad to see the rumor mill is working overtime at CJC. Weather in Jacksonville, FL sure beats upstate NY this time of year!


FlightTraker

 

[chperplt]

Hey Tracker

How's everything going?

The weather in Vegas sucks right now.. Had about 4 inches of that white stuff hit the ground here yesterday. Rainy today with some wind.

Enjoying the survey work again?