Colgan or Skywest?

[Turbinepilot]

I am really stuck! I really want to fly for Skywest if I am lucky toget a job, but maybe have a Colgan offer because of the hiring forIAH.Hows the hiring of Skywest, is it all EMB now and how istheContinental Connection loss affecting SkyWest?

How's Colgan to work for? How many day's off a month for a line, isitblock or better? I am just really scared to be connected toU.S.Airways. Any Tips since I am fairly new to the 121 environment?

Adam

 

[sweptback]

Who do you fly Saabs for now? Why do you want to leave?

 

[Cornelius]

Sounds like you answered your own question. Skywest is one of the most stable regional jobs out there, and that means a lot these days.

 

[dojetdriver]

. Skywest is one of the most stable regional jobs out there, and that means a lot these days.

For now. Most of their revenue comes from 2 places. DAL just posted the single biggest loss in airline history. UAL, two years in ch. 11 with no end in sight.

Who's on top today could be on the bottom tomorrow.

I-Air was first, AWAC was second, I'd say Skywest isn't an unlikey suspect to get f#$ked over be UAL next.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

I'd say Skywest isn't an unlikey suspect to get f#$ked over be UAL next.

Then you may not realize SkyWest negotiated a post-bankruptcy contract for 10 years+. Also SkyWest is a huge part of the UAL system on the west coast, DEN, and ORD. That's a lot of feed that can't be replaced overnight. Nothing is impossible but unless UAL liquidates they can't just put the flying out for rebid.

 

[dojetdriver]

Then you may not realize SkyWest negotiated a post-bankruptcy contract for 10 years+.

That is if UAL makes it out of bankruptcy. If I'm not mistaken, when a company is bankrupt they can give the finger to anybody they have a contract with. Dude, I got nothing against SkyWest, but anything to do with UAL seems hairy.

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

Rumor has it that SKYW has a unique contract with its partners. Something to the effect that should UAL or DAL cancel the contracts, they will have to buy the aircraft that fly it. That's a lot of CRJ's and E120's for a cash strapped carrier.... If this is true, kudos to management for keeping it all secure. SKYW is still growing with UAL, and they are growing next month with DAL. They are still hiring, the IAH flying only affected 25-28 crews, the total pilot group is over 2100 including those currently in ground school. Its still a good company, but all regionals have an element of risk. Choose what works best for you....bases, $, QOL, projected upgrade time, etc... Good luck!

Yogi

 

[dojetdriver]

Rumor has it that SKYW has a unique contract with its partners. Something to the effect that should UAL or DAL cancel the contracts, they will have to buy the aircraft that fly it. That's a lot of CRJ's and E120's for a cash strapped carrier.... If this is true, kudos to management for keeping it all secure. SKYW is still growing with UAL, and they are growing next month with DAL. They are still hiring, the IAH flying only affected 25-28 crews, the total pilot group is over 2100 including those currently in ground school. Its still a good company, but all regionals have an element of risk. Choose what works best for you....bases, $, QOL, projected upgrade time, etc... Good luck!

Yogi

Interesting point, and if it's true, kudos to their management. It may be apple and oranges, but DAL was supposed to take over lease payments on 30 DO 328's from ACA when the contract was terminated. Well, guess what? It wasn't like our last Del-Con flight was on 11/1 and DAL starting cutting a check on 11/2. As far as I know, ACA is still footing the bill on 30 328's parked in Myrtle Beach.

Also, if UAL/DAL assume the airplanes, is there protection in the contract that the pilots go with them? Yes, it would make sense to absorb the current/qualified crews. But who's to say they don't furlough them, then re-hire them back at lower wages and crappy work rules.

Like I said. who's on top today could be sucking the hind tit of anybody tomorrow.

Cheers

 

[Russ]

That's not unique, many regionals have that written in the contract with the major partner.

As far as a 10 year contract, we also had a 10 year contract with CO that was terminated after two.
UA replaced their feed on the West coast with us in short order.
I don't believe it will happen but a thin sheet of paper that represents the contract doesn't make me sleep any easier at night.
DAL had a no furlough clause in their contract didn't they?

 

[On Your Six]

For now. Most of their revenue comes from 2 places. DAL just posted the single biggest loss in airline history. UAL, two years in ch. 11 with no end in sight.

Who's on top today could be on the bottom tomorrow.

I-Air was first, AWAC was second, I'd say Skywest isn't an unlikey suspect to get f#$ked over be UAL next.

Another example of financial ignorance... Dude, the Delta loss was mostly a paper loss - a huge "goodwill" write-down. Sure, Delta did lose $750 million of "real" loss which is not good - but it does not account for any of the recent expense reductions ($1 billion pilot salary cut, etc.). Don't paint such a bleak picture unless you actually understand accounting (most people on this board don't)...

 

[dojetdriver]

Another example of financial ignorance... Dude, the Delta loss was mostly a paper loss - a huge "goodwill" write-down. Sure, Delta did lose $750 million of "real" loss which is not good - but it does not account for any of the recent expense reductions ($1 billion pilot salary cut, etc.). Don't paint such a bleak picture unless you actually understand accounting (most people on this board don't)...

Fair enough, "dude". I'm not a CPA and never claimed to be. I'm not painting a bleak picture, it's just the reality of the situation. Does a "paper loss" mean that it wasn't for real and that DAL pilots can go back to thier old pay rates and every furloughed DAL pilot will get rcalled? After all, it's all just on paper and not real.

I'm sorry you are furloghed, I am too. Maybe since you have such a firm grasp on the financial world you should apply for a top management job with DAL, it really sounds like you've got the "right stuff" for a job like that with your condescending attitude.

Besides, with a resume like yours, wtf are you doing jerking gear and serving coffee on a corporate jet for? Shouldn't you be part of the Manned mission to Mars or something?
Cheers

 

[Russ]

OYS

Then enlighten the ignorant masses as to DAL's accounting methods? My job security in large degree rests on DAL's ability to run a profitable airline. As you put it DAL did lose 750 million in one quarter of "real money." That's 3 billion annually of "real money" if my rudimentary skills of division, not to mention reporting periods are correct. I like to stand up for my company as well but when the model is broken its broken. I haven't seen a whole lot that makes me feel DAL is heading in the right direction with the emphasis needed. Work has been done but the hemorrhaging is till continuing at a pace depending on who you ask between your 75 million and a few billion a quarter. I look forward to any insights you have on DAL's road to recovery and when we will see results, heck even trends towards making money. You quickly point out accounting ignorance of many, I hope your as quick to explain what remains to be done.

 

[MattP]

Delta's reported loss for last year works out to about $10,000 per minute.

 

[Ailerongirl]

Colgan or Skywest??

How is that even a choice?!?!

Here's a tip...stay far far away from Colgan....

 

[Ben Dover]

At first glance it would appear that SkyWest is in a bit of hot water, since both major partners are teetering on the brink of failure. But watching USAir, one must assume that it is virtually impossible for a major to go out of business. With all mgmts bumblings they continue to get loans, contract renegotiations, and favorable court rulings. Who would have guessed it is that hard to go out of business?

So if I were SkyWest I wouldn't worry until DAL, or UAL have used 8 of their 9 lives

 

[Chairman]

we also had a 10 year contract with CO that was terminated after two.
?

There were ways out of the contract for both carriers if either one chose and the contract was only 5 years......................