Colgan management Anti Union WHY?

[Thug Life]

He doesn't support unions because he's dealt with them and their corruption for 40 years. Not saying anything about ALPA but unions are inherently corrupt. They breed corruption and only the people at the top get fatter.

Well if that's the case then return the money they give to you to run your campaign.

 

[Thurman Merman]

Dude check out the links posted before, he does support unions, that's the whole point. Come on now, your smarter then that

To my point, he's worked with them for 40 years, he's a tried and true democrat. This is also why he doesn't want them in his immediate life affecting his business because he knows first hand how they operate. It's kind of like limousine liberals and curing the world's angst. They want to be green but still fly in there GV's. They think the government should cure poverty but the lib's don't want the poor living near their gated communities.

A demo' does what a demo' does, they support the foundations of their party in public but are some of the biggest hipocrates in private.

So yes, I did read the prior posts, and responded accordingly. I know about Colgan and their history, good family friends flew for them in the late 60's, 70's, and even 80's. They not always agreed with business practices but they respected the senator. Whether you like him or not he is a very shrewd business owner. I don't subscribe to all the propaganda on either side, I'm just stating my opinion on my own observations and that of men much wiser and more experienced than myself.

 

[BirdCatcher]

To my point, he's worked with them for 40 years, he's a tried and true democrat. This is also why he doesn't want them in his immediate life affecting his business because he knows first hand how they operate. It's kind of like limousine liberals and curing the world's angst. They want to be green but still fly in there GV's. They think the government should cure poverty but the lib's don't want the poor living near their gated communities.

A demo' does what a demo' does, they support the foundations of their party in public but are some of the biggest hipocrates in private.

So yes, I did read the prior posts, and responded accordingly. I know about Colgan and their history, good family friends flew for them in the late 60's, 70's, and even 80's. They not always agreed with business practices but they respected the senator. Whether you like him or not he is a very shrewd business owner. I don't subscribe to all the propaganda on either side, I'm just stating my opinion on my own observations and that of men much wiser and more experienced than myself.

Thurman,

I reread what you said and understand what you are saying. I never said I don't respect him or like him. In fact, I respect all the Colgans. What they have accomplished is by no means easy, a family owned airline in the current airline environment is something they should be proud of. But like you said, this is a business.

Remember as you sign your code of conduct book from Pinnacle who owns this place now. The Colgans are business people and because of that they made a choice that was best for them. I am going to make a choice that is best for me. It's nothing personal, and I believe ALPA is the best choice and by no means undermines the Colgan business.

This is why while I respect the Colgan's I believe what I do:

Pinnacle owns us. They say they want to to keep operations seperate, but when asked to put in Legal writing, they refuse. Why?

The company is now so big management is out of touch with it's employees. They keep saying they have open communication, where? Maybe for a very select few but if communication is soooo good why are bases closing without notification? Why do emails and phone calls go unaswered? These are common factual issues, that haven't even been acknowledged by them. Are we sure we want to grow even larger with these issues, what do you think that means for the pilots?

We are a very productive, hard working group of pilots. It's a shame we lose some great employees because of the way they get treated after going above and beyond. We don't want the world, but we can make sure our hardwork is compensated accordingly and in a fair manner.


I am worried without representation things will only get worse. I keep hearing about plans to get rid of outstation basing. The memo Mike put out this week supports that. They attempt to say if ALPA is voted on it will go away. I'm sorry, but a union doesn't make those decisions. What ALPA will do is make sure pilots are notified and are treated fairly. I think the memo is their way of saying it's coming and when it happens to not look bad to guys who live in base blame it on ALPA. I'm sure as the Beech goes and leases on hangars expire, outstation basing goes away, it's too expensive expecially with gas prices where they are. With the track record Colgan has for notifying employees, that is a mess waiting to happen without someone looking out for us

 

[Fred Rogers]

They breed corruption and only the people at the top get fatter.

Are you talking about Colgan Management or Virginia politicians?

 

[70-SS]

Thurman,

I reread what you said and understand what you are saying. I never said I don't respect him or like him. In fact, I respect all the Colgans. What they have accomplished is by no means easy, a family owned airline in the current airline environment is something they should be proud of. But like you said, this is a business.

Remember as you sign your code of conduct book from Pinnacle who owns this place now. The Colgans are business people and because of that they made a choice that was best for them. I am going to make a choice that is best for me. It's nothing personal, and I believe ALPA is the best choice and by no means undermines the Colgan business.

This is why while I respect the Colgan's I believe what I do:

Pinnacle owns us. They say they want to to keep operations seperate, but when asked to put in Legal writing, they refuse. Why?

The company is now so big management is out of touch with it's employees. They keep saying they have open communication, where? Maybe for a very select few but if communication is soooo good why are bases closing without notification? Why do emails and phone calls go unaswered? These are common factual issues, that haven't even been acknowledged by them. Are we sure we want to grow even larger with these issues, what do you think that means for the pilots?

We are a very productive, hard working group of pilots. It's a shame we lose some great employees because of the way they get treated after going above and beyond. We don't want the world, but we can make sure our hardwork is compensated accordingly and in a fair manner.


I am worried without representation things will only get worse. I keep hearing about plans to get rid of outstation basing. The memo Mike put out this week supports that. They attempt to say if ALPA is voted on it will go away. I'm sorry, but a union doesn't make those decisions. What ALPA will do is make sure pilots are notified and are treated fairly. I think the memo is their way of saying it's coming and when it happens to not look bad to guys who live in base blame it on ALPA. I'm sure as the Beech goes and leases on hangars expire, outstation basing goes away, it's too expensive expecially with gas prices where they are. With the track record Colgan has for notifying employees, that is a mess waiting to happen without someone looking out for us

Your right. It's nothing against the Colgan family. But they are gone. Now we have to deal with corporate america and the stock holders. Guess who loses????????????

For all you new hires and management pilots.

WE LOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The people who make things happen!

 

[Fred Rogers]

Once again the Birdcatcher is right.

The company as it is NOW, needs a union. Pinnacle owns us and IS calling the shots.

Did you read the letter from the senator? It was complete nostalga for the way things used to be. This is the rhetoric from all the family members. They fell out of touch with this company about 3 years ago.

I'm not voting for ALPA because of this quaint little family run business. I'm voting for ALPA because of this fast growing publicly traded company competing in one of the most competitive industries in the world.

Let's make sure that THE PILOTS are considered in the future business decisions, and are not an afterthought. Let's make sure that we are not just another cost unit (the most controllable one).

Let's have a voice.

Let's make it better!

 

[Thurman Merman]

Hey I'm not defending the family. But after signing that book, the changes they are a comin'

 

[Fred Rogers]

Hey I'm not defending the family. But after signing that book, the changes they are a comin'

That's why you should vote YES

 

[Tarzan]

I was raised on ideals that leaned heavily conservative. Needless to say, I was not overly thrilled with the idea of a union environment. I mentioned to my old man my concerns about this and as usual, there was an answer I was not ready for but it hot home.

The Old Man then asked me what happens in an unbridled capitalist society. My answer was monopolies. He asked me what else after that. The light started to turn on then. I then answered with abuse of workers and then the customer.

Basically, my ultra conservative father pointed out that in any society, there had to be a counter weight. The union is just that. It is a counter weight against abuse of employees and eventually against the customer.

None of this is too claim that ALPA does not have its own issues. However, to have some sort of protection against a hostile management team is a needed thing in these days. It forces the power-that-be to deal with the issues. More than likely in a less than honest fashion but it does force the issue. Management guys don't like this. Their first priority is to make money for the share holders which in turn lines their pockets. It is very easy to see why these guys don't want a union. It binds them legally to any agreement which doesn't help them much in a changing market.

 

[70-SS]

To my point, he's worked with them for 40 years, he's a tried and true democrat. This is also why he doesn't want them in his immediate life affecting his business because he knows first hand how they operate.

Then why be a democrat and take union money?

Change party's.

Quit sending out bs letters. Tell your family manangement and corporate america hate labor and would rather farm out their jobs to some third world country.

 

[Fred Rogers]

I was raised on ideals that leaned heavily conservative. Needless to say, I was not overly thrilled with the idea of a union environment. I mentioned to my old man my concerns about this and as usual, there was an answer I was not ready for but it hot home.

The Old Man then asked me what happens in an unbridled capitalist society. My answer was monopolies. He asked me what else after that. The light started to turn on then. I then answered with abuse of workers and then the customer.

Basically, my ultra conservative father pointed out that in any society, there had to be a counter weight. The union is just that. It is a counter weight against abuse of employees and eventually against the customer.

None of this is too claim that ALPA does not have its own issues. However, to have some sort of protection against a hostile management team is a needed thing in these days. It forces the power-that-be to deal with the issues. More than likely in a less than honest fashion but it does force the issue. Management guys don't like this. Their first priority is to make money for the share holders which in turn lines their pockets. It is very easy to see why these guys don't want a union. It binds them legally to any agreement which doesn't help them much in a changing market.

It sounds like your father is a very thoughtful person, we need more of them these days.

no party has the monopoly on good ideas

Colgan Pilots: Vote yes for ALPA 7/31 - 8/21

 

[BirdCatcher]

I was raised on ideals that leaned heavily conservative. Needless to say, I was not overly thrilled with the idea of a union environment. I mentioned to my old man my concerns about this and as usual, there was an answer I was not ready for but it hot home.

The Old Man then asked me what happens in an unbridled capitalist society. My answer was monopolies. He asked me what else after that. The light started to turn on then. I then answered with abuse of workers and then the customer.

Basically, my ultra conservative father pointed out that in any society, there had to be a counter weight. The union is just that. It is a counter weight against abuse of employees and eventually against the customer.

None of this is too claim that ALPA does not have its own issues. However, to have some sort of protection against a hostile management team is a needed thing in these days. It forces the power-that-be to deal with the issues. More than likely in a less than honest fashion but it does force the issue. Management guys don't like this. Their first priority is to make money for the share holders which in turn lines their pockets. It is very easy to see why these guys don't want a union. It binds them legally to any agreement which doesn't help them much in a changing market.

Great post Tarzan.

My father was very anti union, in fact he was an exec that fought labor. After learning the aviation business he now says aviation in one sector that needs it.

 

[BirdCatcher]

I was raised on ideals that leaned heavily conservative. Needless to say, I was not overly thrilled with the idea of a union environment. I mentioned to my old man my concerns about this and as usual, there was an answer I was not ready for but it hot home.

The Old Man then asked me what happens in an unbridled capitalist society. My answer was monopolies. He asked me what else after that. The light started to turn on then. I then answered with abuse of workers and then the customer.

Basically, my ultra conservative father pointed out that in any society, there had to be a counter weight. The union is just that. It is a counter weight against abuse of employees and eventually against the customer.

None of this is too claim that ALPA does not have its own issues. However, to have some sort of protection against a hostile management team is a needed thing in these days. It forces the power-that-be to deal with the issues. More than likely in a less than honest fashion but it does force the issue. Management guys don't like this. Their first priority is to make money for the share holders which in turn lines their pockets. It is very easy to see why these guys don't want a union. It binds them legally to any agreement which doesn't help them much in a changing market.

Great post Tarzan.

My father was very anti union, in fact he was an exec that fought labor. After learning the aviation business he now says aviation in one sector that needs it.

 

[Godfather]

Great post Tarzan.

My father was very anti union, in fact he was an exec that fought labor. After learning the aviation business he now says aviation in one sector that needs it.

I couldn't agree more...well said!

 

[better up here]

Maybe Mike can put out a memo explaining this to us...

Someone should send an email to Mike and ask about this.

I'll admit, I don't have the walnuts, but if anyone does, please post the response, I'd love to see it.

Well maybe after a few more bourbon and waters I'll grow a pair...

Vote yes...