Here is the final deal folks. No interviews for the coex furloughed pilots going to Skywest. Now if recalls happen and they do not want to go back, they have to interview at that point. I think skywest would not mind keeping these people, after all there are about 90 positions available and thats over $1 million in free training money paid for by CAL. Good luck to all going over there. I wish I was jobless so I could go.
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Bluto
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Not to be cynical, but...
Would you mind letting us know your source? Have a copy of the finalized MOU in front of you? Help me Obi Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope.
p.s. I always thought it was pretty weak that you lied to Luke about Vader killing his father, then when he caught you at it, you spouted off with that "point of view" crap. What a load of bantha poo-poo.
Would you mind letting us know your source? Have a copy of the finalized MOU in front of you? Help me Obi Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope.
p.s. I always thought it was pretty weak that you lied to Luke about Vader killing his father, then when he caught you at it, you spouted off with that "point of view" crap. What a load of bantha poo-poo.
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No subjective interviews as per the letter I recevied from Jim Nides, Express Director of FLight Operations.
The Union was pretty adament verbally, we must go back when recalled, but the language for the Commutair deal just says "furloughed pilots will resign when recalled to Express."
As for CAL pilots, they have to be furloughed from CAL, flowed back to Express and then furloughed from Express. They also have to volunteer of course.
The Union was pretty adament verbally, we must go back when recalled, but the language for the Commutair deal just says "furloughed pilots will resign when recalled to Express."
As for CAL pilots, they have to be furloughed from CAL, flowed back to Express and then furloughed from Express. They also have to volunteer of course.
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I heard that there is going to be an emb class of 10 on 7/2, and one or two more classes in July but I don't know the specifics on those. The 7/2 class will be both poolies and xjet (if they give SkyWest "the list" quickly). The poolies that are going are to be notified this week.
For everyone joining SkyWest, welcome and I hope you will enjoy it here.
For everyone joining SkyWest, welcome and I hope you will enjoy it here.
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Utahpilot,
Coex furloughees have been told to expect a possible short-notice call for a class on 6/19. From there on the numbers we've heard are 6-8 of us a month from July-Nov. I imagine the rest of the class will be from the pool. Not sure if there will only be 30-40 positions total (we were originally told 90!) or if there will be more training for us after November.
Recent Skywest rumors indicat that they are overstaffed. With 400+ furloughed pilots eligible for the 90 (40?) positions created by the IAH flying, it looks like those slots will be filled quickly. If it's true that Skywest is overstaffed otherwise, it could be awhile before interviews start up again.
Metro A-team,
"Are there any actual Xjet dudes/dudets that have "signed up" for the SkyWest thing" Yes. Probably more than the available slots.
...if so, when is the "interview" and when does class start? Nobody knows on either issue. They have told us nothing except that the 13th is the deadline and to be ready for class as early as the 19th.
Coex furloughees have been told to expect a possible short-notice call for a class on 6/19. From there on the numbers we've heard are 6-8 of us a month from July-Nov. I imagine the rest of the class will be from the pool. Not sure if there will only be 30-40 positions total (we were originally told 90!) or if there will be more training for us after November.
Recent Skywest rumors indicat that they are overstaffed. With 400+ furloughed pilots eligible for the 90 (40?) positions created by the IAH flying, it looks like those slots will be filled quickly. If it's true that Skywest is overstaffed otherwise, it could be awhile before interviews start up again.
Metro A-team,
"Are there any actual Xjet dudes/dudets that have "signed up" for the SkyWest thing" Yes. Probably more than the available slots.
...if so, when is the "interview" and when does class start? Nobody knows on either issue. They have told us nothing except that the 13th is the deadline and to be ready for class as early as the 19th.
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Bluto, as with all things Express: promise the moon and give them a rock...
Goin' out on a limb here, I'm pretty sure the Union was "vague" enough for the company to "interpret" that 45 crews with NO CAPTAIN positions equals Skywest hire 45 FO's.
Not that I'm complaining about getting a job, or going to Skywest, only the lack of clarity that causes misinterpretation on anyone and everyones part that is life at Continental.
If the Union or the company said up front: "This will create approx. 45 FO postitions." Instead of: "Skywest will hire as many pilots that this flying creates, and they anticipate needing 45 crews..."
Even if no smoke and mirrors were intended, it could have been communicated better. JMHO
Goin' out on a limb here, I'm pretty sure the Union was "vague" enough for the company to "interpret" that 45 crews with NO CAPTAIN positions equals Skywest hire 45 FO's.
Not that I'm complaining about getting a job, or going to Skywest, only the lack of clarity that causes misinterpretation on anyone and everyones part that is life at Continental.
If the Union or the company said up front: "This will create approx. 45 FO postitions." Instead of: "Skywest will hire as many pilots that this flying creates, and they anticipate needing 45 crews..."
Even if no smoke and mirrors were intended, it could have been communicated better. JMHO
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Smoke, mirrors, and number games...
That's what I'm afraid of and why I'd really like to have a look at the MOU whenever it gets distributed. To quote a recent union publication, however, "...(2) the company secure first officer jobs for CAL/CALEX furloughed pilots equal to the total number of pilots required to perform this flying," Seems very clear to me. If the MOU is this clear I don't see any way they can play that "Oh we thought it was only 45 positions" game.
That's what I'm afraid of and why I'd really like to have a look at the MOU whenever it gets distributed. To quote a recent union publication, however, "...(2) the company secure first officer jobs for CAL/CALEX furloughed pilots equal to the total number of pilots required to perform this flying," Seems very clear to me. If the MOU is this clear I don't see any way they can play that "Oh we thought it was only 45 positions" game.
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If that's accurate it is completely contrary to what the union has been telling the pilots. I'm not attacking you personally, but I think that is ridiculous. I can understand why the company would have a problem with Coex pilots bidding for Captain positions at Skywest. I can see how that negates the seniority system and I agree that it would be unfair. However, many pilots felt that the union should have gone after those positions. The union justified their position by stating that now there would be twice as many first officer positions. If the company has arbitrarily cut the number of positions in half, I would consider that a serious insult to the furloughed pilots at Coex.
Yea, well if that gets your cookies nice and iced up...
I was pwop about 50 and now I'm 100 something. A lot of the CAL guys that got furloughed also got furloughed from Express and are ahead of the Express furloughs. There is a good chance a lot of the Express people who qualify wont even get the chance to go!
Especially if there are only 36-45 positions. Not "whining" just spreading the "CAL go backwards plan LOVE."
I was pwop about 50 and now I'm 100 something. A lot of the CAL guys that got furloughed also got furloughed from Express and are ahead of the Express furloughs. There is a good chance a lot of the Express people who qualify wont even get the chance to go!
Especially if there are only 36-45 positions. Not "whining" just spreading the "CAL go backwards plan LOVE."
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Yeah, there are about 25 CAL guys that have been thrown in the mix. I went from a 16 to 40, so is was 24 to be exact. The good news is that these CAL guys didn't want to flowback to XJT, so there won't be too many who will take a position with SKYW. These guys could be getting Capt. pay and nice looking schedules flying the line at XJT, they won't take 1st year pay and a reserve schedule at SKYW. I don't think your PWOP number will change more than a few numbers when it's all said and done.
As for the pilots headed to SKYW. The MOU specifically states "total number of pilots required to perform this flying", and that's exactly how many of us will go. At this point, we don't know how quickly we'll be trained though. Let's wait and see what the week brings. Phones should be ringing by Friday.
Yeah, there are about 25 CAL guys that have been thrown in the mix. I went from a 16 to 40, so is was 24 to be exact. The good news is that these CAL guys didn't want to flowback to XJT, so there won't be too many who will take a position with SKYW. These guys could be getting Capt. pay and nice looking schedules flying the line at XJT, they won't take 1st year pay and a reserve schedule at SKYW. I don't think your PWOP number will change more than a few numbers when it's all said and done.
As for the pilots headed to SKYW. The MOU specifically states "total number of pilots required to perform this flying", and that's exactly how many of us will go. At this point, we don't know how quickly we'll be trained though. Let's wait and see what the week brings. Phones should be ringing by Friday.
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