Coex, CommutAir, and ALPA?

[George Jetson]

Everybody else- Screw you. You call me ignorant because I asked for an explaination and call me un-educated when I was clearly just trying to learn. You got a great way of educating people
SCREW -YOU AS S HOLES

You didn't ask for an explanation. You claimed you knew just how it went down over here with CAL, CALEX, and the FTA. Go reread my post and your post and then come back here and comment. I call you ignorant because you have no clue how it went down yet post a rambling incoherent message about how ALPA only cares about CAL pilots and they forced the mainline CAL pilots onto our list...that is pure BS. As for your spelling...well....we all make mistakes. As for your swearing at me....that is very grown up and professional of you. Thank you.

GJ

 

[socalpilot]

I'm not in their heads, but I will admit to having felt the same way about ALPA after my short time at another ALPA carrier.

I'll bet that was right after they furloughed by equipment and not seniority under the superior ALPA contract. You can have all the contracts in the world but the doesn't stop a company who wants to break them. They find loopholes or just straight violate them and let the grievance run it's coarse. They can easily drag it out for 6 months or more.

 

[NEDude]

Back in 2001 (and I may be wrong)...didn't Commutair summarily furlough 110 pilots with no warning? Some pilots had to read about their furlough in the newspaper. Several days later somebody found out that the owners of Commutair bought a brand new Cessna Citation. Can anyone confirm or deny this story?

I will try and clarify some things.

It was 2001 when Commutair furloughed. The meeting in which it was announced was on (I believe) July 6th, or there about. The actual furloughs took effect on or about August 14, 2001. So there was plenty of notice. Also the company provided pay and benefits for 60 days after the announcement, so until early September. So it was not without notice, and people didn't show up to work only to find out the were on the street. Also, to their credit, the company organized a job fair to help place the furloughed pilots and personally I found the company to be flexible in allowing pilots to re-arrange their schedules to allow for interviews. Many of us were at work and collecting paychecks before CommutAir pay ended.

I do not know too much about the Citation deal so I cannot clarify that.

If you loose your medical, who is giong to help you get it back?

If you are in an accident/incident, who is going to defend you?

If you get an FAA violation, who is going to help you fight it?

This was the hardest aspect of our campaign IMHO. I think just about everyone here would agree that our current management has done an outstanding job of defending our pilots in these cases. For me it was more about what will happen when our current C/P and D/O retire (don't know what their plans are but obviously it will happen at some point).

 

[I.P. Freley]

I think I can clarify "the Citation deal".

I saw this airplane in the hangar, and wandered through the cabin, well before the furloughs were announced. The plane had been there for a while before I poked my head in, so it wasn't a case of "we're furloughing, and whoa, look at this airplane we're buying now". Since their acquisition of the airplane wasn't "announced" or anything (were they supposed to put out a memo?), it doesn't surprise me that the revelation that the owners had a new airplane was twisted into "they bought it just as they were laying us off"... A natural reaction to the frustration of being put out on the street.

 

[CA1900]

Of course, watching them fuel their new toy from the CommutAir fuel truck while standing in the hangar reading the furlough announcement kind of put a bitter taste in my mouth. Crying poor while pi$$ing away company resources is in really, really bad taste.

 

[I.P. Freley]

Hey, I didn't say it was KOSHER, just that it was purchased well before the furlough announcement.